Hi, welcome to Warhammer 40k! Thanks for your edit to the User:Shas'o'Kais page.
I will be carrying out each of your suggestions, thank you for the recommendations. The normal variant picture of theTiger Shark on the A-X-10 page is there for a reason, to show the difference between the variants which is not obvious without it, as the picture captions indicate. I will also be using the normal variant picture on the new standard variant Tiger Shark page which I will produce at some point in the future when the Wiki focuses its energies on the Tau. We go race by race at this stage of the Wiki's evolution and we are not focused on producing Tau material right now, save for a page here or there as they come up or as Tau-friendly editors like yourself choose to contribute. Thanks. Montonius 07:44, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
I apologise for missing the small change to the page numbers. Some of your small changes can make certain sentences ungrammatical and must sometimes be reverted. I will be sure to be more careful about keeping any and all the improvements you make. Montonius (talk) 07:40, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Shas'o'Kais (talk) 08:09, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
Great Job on the XV8
Wonderful job on the XV8 Battlesuit page, Shas'o. That is the way to do a vehicle page! My only suggestion would be to do a quick check of the Lexicanum's page on the same subject to see if any information or sources they have were missed, but you did such an excellent job on the research I would be surprised. But you should check for every page you do just in case. Kudos to you! Keep it up. Montonius (talk) 04:58, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I did check the Lexicanum page earlier and the sources were the same as the old page (inadequate in other words). I would add more information from the older White Dwarfs too but I don't have access to them. Shas'o'Kais (talk) 07:48, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
OK, cool. Yeah, I'm sorry about the White Dwarfs, I know you've been eager for them, but Algrim's computer died and he lost his entire library. He is trying to reconstitute it at the moment but it may be a while before he can add any new material or do any research. I'll keep you posted if I hear anything more about it. Montonius (talk) 05:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, one more thing. Under this talk system, you have to reply to the Talk page of the person who sent you the message. it's not like the other system; if you just reply here to a message I send, I won't know you have replied unless you put the message on my page. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 05:11, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
Shas'o, remember, you can create a new category that broad, but you are now responsible for making sure every page created on the wiki or created in the future is added to it. Generally, before you create a new category you really need to ask for an Admin's opinion to avoid a potential problem or wasted work. In this case, you seem to have added most or all of the necessary pages, but since you have set the page's definition so broad, you now need to go through all the xenos races and add their artillery pieces to the category where they fit. It's a pain, but you seem to have made a good start, so go for it. Montonius (talk) 03:56, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
I actually added the pages to the category quite a while ago (several months), but just got round to making an actual page for it. I think I have added every page on the wiki that describes artillery, as the xenos races don't appear to have many. I really don't mind adding categories as they are one of the easiest edits to make. In fact, if there are any categories that you want me to create, I'll happily do it for you.
Shas'o'Kais (talk) 04:47, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
If I think of any, you'll be the first to know. If I see any other pages that belong to the Artillery category I'll add them or call them to your attention. Also, remember, I do not know that you have sent me a message if you reply to your own Talk page. Montonius (talk) 05:09, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
OK I'll check it, but I'm sure you did fine. That category (aircraft) has been used for a while and like a lot of them, we never bothered to fully create the page. It's a little irritating that once you create a category you have to essentially create it twice by then creating the page. I don't think we need an anti-aircraft category, though I am curious, how many pages do you think would be placed within it? Montonius (talk) 22:32, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
Honours and ModerationsShas'o, in recent months I have been very impressed with both your continuing growth as a content creator and your willingess to step up and enforce our wiki's high quality standards even when you were not required to do so. As we have grown much more complementary in our work together, I feel that you have become the type of editor this wiki needs if it is to continue to grow and prosper, particularly as the time approaches to begin upgrading our xenos pages. I am in need of strong editors who understand our stringent formatting standards, are willing to hold others to them, and who have shown the increasing skill at research and page creation that you have displayed and have an interest in the Tau and other xenos, as you do.
With this in mind, I believe the time has come to offer you a staff position as a Moderator. This comes with certain basic requirements and formal duties, but more importantly, the promotion will give you the official imprimatur which will simply enhance what you have already been doing of your own free will. What led me to this decision, which you know I never make lightly, was how you treated that unregistered contributor who was just getting into the hobby and wanted help. I felt your actions there represented exactly the kind of leadership we should expect from a staff member of this wiki, and I know the anonymous editor greatly appreciated them. I know that I have been at times difficult to deal with from your perspective, but this is only because I expect all our editors to pursue the same extraordinary level of quality for which this wiki was created.
In recent months, you have risen firmly, determinedly and gracefully to meet those standards, and I have been very appreciative. So, if you would like the position and would like to join the team, let me know, and we will discuss your new duties and I will formally raise you and announce your selection to the other editors and users (a population, which, by the way, has grown rapidly. Just a day ago we hit a new record of individuals who came to the site over a 24-hour period -- 172,000! Your work is seen by a great many people in the community).
You are raised to Moderator status. Please check the Administrators page in the Important Links for a full, formal list of your new duties. In reality, just keep doing what you are doing, though you now can feel free to boss around other, non-staff editors as much as you like -- you are on the staff, after all, and represent the Greater Good. LOL. We need you to check in with me approximately once a week to see if there is anything new you need to be aware of, and now I will start assigning you areas of the wiki to be responsible for. VforVendetta does vehicles, you already have Tau, so for now I'm also making you the Master of Categories. Congratulations, and good luck! Montonius (talk) 07:59, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations Tau Commander
Congradulations on becoming a moderator, you deserve it!
Oh, Shas'o, if there is a Tau Lexicon name you need to include it in parentheses after the English name in the Notable Tau Commanders section. If there is not a Tau name, just use the English name, but you need both if they do exist in that list. The English name alone will be used if we create a separate page for that character. Nice work on the Tau Commander page by the way. Montonius (talk) 10:36, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Shas'o, the individual links are red-linked because I will create the page or redirect they link to. When I red link something it is usually done for a reason related to something that will be implemented in the future; please leave it in place.
As for the capitals, they present a problem. For consistency's sake, we have been using the Lexicanum nomenclature in this instance so that there is similar nomenclature across both Warhammer 40k wikis. That is the style they chose in most instances, and was the style used here on all preexisting pages dealing with the Tau. I want it maintained so that editors and readers who use both systems do not see differences over nomenclature. Their wiki came first and has set certain nomenclature standards that we adhere to, which is why in most cases we use their page names for similar topics. However, I have seen the titles used with both capitalisations and without them, though the capitalised forms were definitely in the minority. Can you determine first which is canonical, and second, where this information, if you can find it, can be found? I need to see the material and then make a decision. Depending on how I decide, I may need you to fix it across the wiki. Montonius (talk) 13:17, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
LOL, nevermind, I looked it up myself using the Codex. Games Workshop actually uses both forms throughout the Codex:Tau Empire and the Imperial Armour 3, which is why I have seen both used. They are both canonical based on the examples given, though the new Tau Codex may provide more guidance, we will see. For now, we will be using the lower case versions because it is the more prevalent and the one we have already used on all the other pages, and I also think it looks aesthetically better anyway. Montonius (talk) 13:36, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
OK, Shas'o, I made my decision. We're not using the capitalisation for the reasons I stated. I don't care if there is redundancy in pages; it's a networked wiki and people access the information from different points without necessarily going to a page with the other information; having it in two places is fine and we have always done that. When I red link something, it is done for a reason. In this case, I intend to create the page all the Fire Caste ranks will be linked to; if you create something similar, I will redirect each rank to that page. I want it done that way. Do not revert edits I make on a page again unless there is an obvious canonical mistake, like with the Tau fingers (which was funny).
You're a good editor Shas, and getting better all the time, and your pages are a real asset. But on this wiki, Admins are responsible for all final edits and all structural decisions. I make these decisions based on how the wiki will grow months in advance and everything is done with a reason. I think part of the problem is that you may not understand why we have that system. The single most important quality that makes this wiki better in the long-run than the Lexicanum and many others is what I call, for lack of a better word, consistency. Because one person makes all final edits, this wiki has a consistent style, quality (more or less) and tone across its entire, ever-growing breadth. Yes, this means subjectively that it is one person's preferences and style in a lot of places, but the benefits are legion and this is one reason our wiki does not look like the Lexicanum, with its hideous presentation, poor quality and random shifts in style and tone from page to page. I make no apology for our system and I think its benefits (and our rapidly growing popularity) speak for themselves.
However, I know you disagree with some of the decisions I make, particularly concerning your baby, the Tau pages; that is fine, we will simply have to agree to disagree, though I will always explain my reasoning to you, as above. I will accomodate some of the changes you made to the page where it it just one preference over another, like with the removal of the "Greater Good" clause from the intro paragraph. I like it; you don't, so I will let your version stand. But if we are going to work together closely as staff members this cannot happen every single time on every single page you do, and you have to accede to the final decisions I make in most instances, whether you entirely agree with them or not. So tell me, can you work under this structure? Otherwise this will just turn into a war of constant reversions, locked pages and other ridiculousness which I have no patience for and I am sure you don't either. Let's not do something that silly. I don't want to work that way. So let's decide now. Montonius (talk) 03:53, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
OK, this is the end of this discussion, forever. Both ways are canon, as I said. From now on, you do them with the capitals when using whole names, and without capitals when using the ranks alone. This violates the consistency principle which I told you about, but I'm so bloody sick of this topic that I will accept both ways from now on. That's it, no more capital talk. ;) Montonius (talk) 08:09, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
Based on Alexa data, much less than 100,000, but there is no concrete number and that could be wrong. For obvious reasons, no one releases their exact page views. For instance, they have slightly more Facebook links than we do, but my read of the situation is that their group of loyalists is much more hardcore than ours. We tend to draw the newcomers, they keep the veterans. We are helped by having a higher Google rating for the main page and some of our content pages. Montonius (talk) 03:03, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Style & FormattingHey Shas, First of all congrats on the promotion! Welcome to the wonderful world of "never enough hours in the day" and "too much to do, and not time to do it!" If anyone deserves the accolades and the recognition for the continuous standards of excellent posting, editing, mentoring and enforcement of the wiki standards, its you! Great job! Now that I've gotten the formalities out of the way, I just wanted to chime in quickly in regards to the "passionate discussion" between you and Monti over certain views in regards to style and formatting.
I, of all people, can totally appreciate your position in regards to editing based on structural and aesthetic decisions, and I understand Monti has explained his position in regards to why he has asked you to stop reverting his edits based on these decisions. I have to support the Lead Admin on this one. We, as both wiki editors and mods, may not always agree with the choices or decisions of our illustrious leader, and heck, we may feel very strongly one way or the other in regards to his final edits. But ultimately, we have to abide by the will of our Lead Mod's final decision in regards to any edit or changes that he sees fit on enacting on any article. We may not always agree, but everyone is (of course) entitled to their own opinions, and of course you can air your grievances to Montonius at any time.
As you well know, he will always take into account your position, and should he disagree, will let you know in a timely manner, a detailed reason why he does things the way he does. So, in the interest of maintaining a harmonious environment here on the 40K Wiki, I ask of you, please respect Monti's final decisions. You may not agree with it, heck, you don't even have to like it. But ultimately, Monti has the final say, and as a Mod on this wiki we need to respect his decision and support him as fellow Moderators. Not trying to brow beat you or gang up on you. Just wanted to clear the air. Algrim Whitefang (talk)Algrim Whitefang
Please read the Codex, the capitals are only used when the WHOLE title is NOT used, as in O'Shovas. Otherwise its Shas'o Shovas. The Codex shows these examples on the character names. Montonius (talk) 07:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
That would be helpful, one for each First Founding Legion; then please place all the relvant pages within it, if they exist. Montonius (talk) 10:22, February 1, 2013 (UTC) Please do not add Space Marine Chapter or Legion categories to individuals or places which are not directly connected to that Chapter or Legion. For instance, Alessio Cortes and Rynn's World are NOT included in the Imperial Fists category, though their Chapter would be as a Successor Chapter of the Imperial Fists. Tzo Sahal, however, would be added to the Night Lords category as he is a member of that Legion. The categories are only to be used for direct members and for the confirmed (not suspected) Successor Chapters of that First Founding Legion. Anything else is way too broad and gives the reader the mistaken idea that those individuals are members of that Chapter. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 07:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm happy with the default template we inherited. I don't care how prominent it is, stubs are repaired only by us (admins, mods) and you use the wiki's automated stubs list to find them anyway, not the template on the page, if you were not aware of that. The template is only important because it auto-adds the page to the list. Montonius (talk) 15:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
Shas'o, just to let you know, you should have the power to lock out threads that have become too long or have started to wander off topic. Do not be afraid to exercise this power if needed, though in general the forums are where we would like admins to take the lightest hand possible, unless they start throwing out f-bombs or begin flame wars, at which point the threads need to be deleted and the perpetrators will be sanctioned by an admin if you bring it to my attention. Hope you're having fun on there; it's the Wilderness Space of the wiki! Montonius (talk) 06:21, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
I think that would be a good idea. Please draw one up, post it on my talk page and we will go over it together and then you can post it in a highly visible place. I already wrote an outline of permissible actions for the forums when I installed them, but it's in a place no one is ever going to see it. I'm not unhappy with the forums, but they seem to be dominated by a few people who often have no idea what they are talking about (other than you, of course). Montonius (talk) 06:33, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
The following should cover it. I have removed a few points where you were bordering on telling people what to say. That is not our goal. The forums need to be a free place for discussion, especially because the main portions of the wiki are already so restrictive and contain so many rules. It is our job to moderate, not dictate in this area of the wiki. Everywhere else we are as dictatorial as hell, so I want a slightly lighter touch in the forums.
"The following set of guidelines are the expectations for comments/posts in the Warhammer 40k Wiki forum. Failure to follow these may result in the modification or deletion of your post/comment and also *insert punishments* if the offence is serious enough.
- Treat others politely and with respect - No sarcasm or attempts to put others down to prove your own superiority and make yourself feel better. Any criticism should be intelligent, constructive and not intended to offend. Flame wars will result in Administrator sanction against the perpetrator, up to and including a permanent ban.
- Use appropiate language - This means NO swear words and vulgar language. Attacks based on race, creed, gender, or sexual identity will result in an immediate permanent ban against the offender. If you would not say it to your mother, do not say it here.
- No spam - Spamming is not allowed in any way, shape or form.
- Use proper spelling, punctuation and grammar - Proper spelling, punctuation and grammar should be used to make your posts easier to read and understand for other users, and also to keep the quality of the general forum high. Try to keep formatting normalised and refrain from using excessive spacing, bold text, capitalisations, exclamations marks, etc.
- Stay on topic - If a thread is made about a certain topic, keep comments on that topic. Major diversions will be deleted. If you do want to continue a discussion about a different topic, make a new forum post.
- Post in the correct topic - Please post discussions in the right topics/areas of the forum.
- Fanon - Whilst fanon is not disallowed as a topic to be discussed on the forums, it is recommended you post them on the Warhammer 40k Fanon Wiki *makeitalink*.
- Pictures - Any pictures posted in the forums should have the wiki disclaimer added to their page. Try to keep picture sizes at 250px-300px.
- Games Workshop Intellectual Property - DON'T post any game statistics or game-related material from Games Workshop, Forge World, Fantasy Flight Games. This means unit profiles, weapon statistics, character statistics full rules for hwo to play the table top or role-playing games, etc. This is a legal infringement of both intellectual property and copyright law and will be deleted immediately.
- Links - Don't add unrelated links to your posts. Only add a link to a website related to the topic under discussion.
I don't know where that button is. I would actually send an email to wikia, Shas, and ask them exactly what powers a Chat Moderator possesses under their system architecture. I'd be curious to jknow to, and perhaps I can selectively grant you different powers for the Forums, which is sometimes possible. I know very little about it as I know mostly what Admins and Bureaucrats can and can't do.
As to the message, yes, see if you can post it above or below the main forums, otherwise we may simply have to add it to the forum rules in the unfortunate spot where they are, or at least I will as I don't think you can access that part of the wiki. Montonius (talk) 07:27, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, that's a good question. I'm going to rule no simply because that would be a bitch to source. However, I would stay away from that type of art when other equally good pieces are available. Those pages really didn't need any more pictures, but they're fine for now. Montonius (talk) 04:34, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Nice general Drone page. I had no idea we already had so many types of Drones on the wiki! To help organise them I have created a Tau Drone Category for you. Please add all the Drone variants you listed on the general Tau Drone page to that category. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 05:13, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Gentleman, this message is going to both of you, though its contents are more directed at Vforvendetta. This category business was a mess. Shas'o was correct on both fronts -- one in that I did not want this category created, and secondly in that it does not belong on generic pages like Daemon, greater Daemon, etc. As I may or may not have explained, wikis suffer from what I call "category creep" in that their can often be an obsessive desire to create ever smaller and more specific categories that are completely unnecessary. The Chaos category pretty much covered everything we needed. When you create new categories you must also make sure that every page on the wiki that belongs in that category is added to it AND every new page created that should be in it is also added to it. This creates a nightmare of maintenance for the Admins. I did not want separate Chaos God categories because that would require us going through dozens of pages and adding them, and sometimes there is disagreement about where they should be added to and on and on. The Chaos category is broad enough and EVERYBODY can agree, in most instances, what pages belong in it.
Shas'o was also right in determining that the Iron Warriors category does not belong on a vehicle page. That page is a generic page for all Vindicators. A Traitor Legion category must only be added to pages whose topics are WHOLLY contained within that category and apply ONLY to the Iron Warriors. Now, this was not your fault, V, as we have never spoken about this topic before, as there was no need to before this. But Shas'o is the wiki's category keeper, and his decisions generally trump all others save mine or Algrim's when it comes to categories; please listen to him. But the general rule is: less categories, not more.
As to the Nurgle category, it is now on so many pages that I do not have the time to go through and remove it. If one of you has the time please remove it, otherwise I will let it stand for now. Thanks for both your efforts, but one recommendation I would make in the future is that if there is uncertainty over a given action or a dispute about it, please leave a message on mine or Algrim's talk pages and get an Admin ruling before moving forward so we can prevent these kinds of disputes from happening again. In any event, I loved what you did with the Chaos pages, V, and I look forward to the new pages you will be adding within this sphere. Thanks, everybody. Montonius (talk) 05:59, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you've asked an impossible question. The answer is there are literally hundreds of pages remaining, it is an always growing topic, there is no list since the list alone would be a project, and it will be completed whenever the wiki is (i.e. never), even though we are adding material at a breakneck pace. LOL. Montonius (talk) 03:45, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Shas'o, when you start editing another editor's mistakesm it actually makes it harder for me to fix it because I can no longer use my roll-back power. Wehn you see damage done like army of the dead's just call it to my or Algrim's attention, don't try and fix it, as we can remove all of it with one click. Thanks. Oh, and as to that guy, the next time he does, he's banned' he was warned multiple times already. Montonius (talk) 10:11, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, the guy complained to me about how un-collaborative we are; he clearly didn't read the Important Links just like everyone else. Sigh. Anyway, I'Il do the Flayed Ones upgrade with the Deathwatch material, I had no idea it existed, if you could point out the pages to me I'll do it. As for the Necrons and Dark Eldar, I'll handle the Dark Eldar as I have been doing over the last year, the Necrons will be done later, when you finish the Tau, yeah, that's an area we could definitely move you into. But one thing at a time. Montonius (talk) 04:04, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Let's do Tau weapons next. Take a look at the other individual weapons pages and copy that formatting, and I'll go over the next one you do and you can use that asa template as well. The big pages like Fire Warrior we'll need to talk about when the time comes. I'll probably need to see a rough draft of what you want to do and then we'll work together to integrate the new material into the existing page. Unlike the other pages you have done, there is much material on the existing pages I don't want removed, though it can certainly be enhanced. But let's finish the small stuff first. Thanks and good job. Montonius (talk) 06:32, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
Re: The Fire Warrior page; as I have said before, repetition of information is not a problem for a wiki. I would expect the page to contain ALL information related to Fire Warriors.
As to the Escort Drone. Yeah, that one's a pain in the ass. The source is gone, and seems to have been based on a figurine for the Inquisitor specialty game. I would create a small page using the information on the Lexicanum, and add the same information to the list of drones on the Tau Drone page. That one is irritating, and we're unlikely to get any more information about it. Good pick-up. Montonius (talk) 02:20, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
Change to Content Creation Rules
Hey Shas'o, I've altered the instructions on creating content to indicate that new categories should not be created without the permission of an Admin, or, well, you. While this won't make anyone actually read the damn thing, it does strengthen your hand when they inevitably violate the guidelines. LOL. Montonius (talk) 13:33, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Shas'o, Here's some Necron sources for ya:
- Black Crusade: Core Rulebook (RPG), pp. 343, 368-371
- Black Crusade: The Hand of Corruption (RPG), pp. 79-139
- Black Crusade: The Tome of Fate (RPG), pp. 107-122
- Codex: Necrons (5th Edition)
- Codex: Necrons (3rd Edition)
- Deathwatch: The Outer Reach (RPG), pp. 100-144
- Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, pp. 162-163
- Warhammer 40,000: Planetstrike (5th Edition), pg. 55
- Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (6th Edition), pg. 210
- Warhammer 40,000: Rulebook (5th Edition), pp. 126, 128, 179
- White Dwarf 383 (UK), "Rise of the Necrons," "Building the Machines," "'Eavy Metal: Necrons," and "The Rulers of War," pp. 2-16, 24-29, 30-35, 36-39, 40-43
- White Dwarf 287 (UK), "The Firebrands"
- White Dwarf 272 (UK), "Nightbringer and Living Metal: Necron Monolith"
- White Dwarf 271 (UK), "Index Xenos – Necrons"
- White Dwarf 230 (UK), "Chapter Approved: Necrons"
- White Dwarf 218 (UK), "Necron Onslaught"
- White Dwarf 217 (UK), "Necron Raiders Background and Rules"
Thanks for the Necrons
Hey Shas'o thanks for the Necron pages. You're really saving me a lot of work. They are the best pages you've done, really great work. When you redo the Tau pages, please do them just like the Necron pages, with that same level of detail, it's really been helpful, especially when I begin the long-awaited upgrade to the Necron portal page and its related pages in about 2 weeks. Thanks again. Montonius (talk) 07:17, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
The only way I am aware of to make a redirect is to go #Redirect and then type the page in brackets. I know of no other kind at present.
As the guidelines state, we do not use fan-made art save for rare exceptions made by an Administrator. I chose to make an exception because we have no images for those pages, these images were of professional quality, and nothing in them violated published canon about those organs. And they looked wonderful. The rule was changed because of our growing responsibility to our large readership to minimise the fan-made material which we did use when we first started to draw interest. However, a blanket no-use policy would be foolish and would replicate much of the Lexicanum's rigidity; so the right to make rare exceptions remains with admin approval. Generally, Algrim favours the use of almost any piece of fan-made art; I am much more conservative but make the final decision when there is disagreement between us, as was the case with the use of fan-coloured versions of black-and-white canon pictures -- I oppose them, he prefers them. All of the fan-made art on the wiki that was in place before the change in policy has been grandfathered in, except in cases where a new piece of canon art can replace an old, grandfathered piece of fan art. Hope that clears it up, I know it is a complicated policy. Montonius (talk) 05:54, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
You know, I was just thinking about that myself. Yeah, create the Daemon Engines and Anti-Air categories, but I'll put you in charge of making sure we get every relevant page into them (which you do anyway, LOL). Thanks for bringing it up. Montonius (talk) 06:32, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
That sounds like a fine plan, Shas'o. Please give me your list. Most of those pages should already be register-locked, and the reality is I have never seen a burst of editors like you describe when a new codex comes out, so I really wouldn't worry about it, but I will set all the pages you list to the more restrictive setting if you're concerned about it because that is what they should be set to anyway.
As to the Necrons, as I may or may not have mentioned, after I finish the Koronus Expanse and Screaming Vortex material in the next two weeks, I will be doing the Necron upgrade personally. When you have time, please finish the Necron unit pages if any remain, but I will be handling the Necron portal page, the dynasties, the timeline and history revisions, and many of the weapons personally, though I will probably need help with the individual weapon pages if we are ever to get it done in a timely manner.
It would be best if you didn't start work on the Tau until both you and I and Algrim have gotten our hands on it, so that we can all be on the same page and check each other's work like with the Necrons. Thanks again, I like your action plan. Montonius (talk) 06:40, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah do the character pages, do it all baby! However, I have one request. Please keep the new pages down to about 3 per day, as I have to edit everybody as well as do daily maintenance and the amount of material being aded is getting a little overwhelming. I certainly don't want to slow you down, but I can't do my real job if I have to spend three hours a day here. LOL. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 06:57, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, also, could you do all of the Necron weapons, please, such as the Particle Whip, Warscythe, Tesla Weapons, etc.? Might as well get them all you've done so well with the Gauss Weapons. Also, you need to add the sources for the new weapons to the Gauss Weapons page. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 18:01, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Tau Unit Pages
Hi Shas'O, thanks for the Tau upgrades, they are going well. However, after looking over the beginning of your redo, the formatting needs to be changed on the pages so that they are more in accord with the codex materials, just like the Necron pages, and with the overall format of our other unit pages to maintain wiki consistency. This is made much more difficult by the fact that most of these pages already exist and contain material from several other sources. Here is how I want the divergent materials integrated into a single, repeatable format:
1) Please keep doing what you have been doing, with one notable exception -- if you include a History section, do not use bullet points and do not create a Notable Campaign section; upon reflection this is not the right way to go. The correct format for a unit page History section is straight, narrative text, as occurrs on all our other unit pages and as I have now done for the Sky Ray page, which can serve as a model for you.
2) Integrate the majority of the Codex 6th Edition text into the introductory paragraph of the page, as I did with the Sky Ray page. It's fine if you later repeat some or all of this information scattered over the rest of the page's sections, as when integrated with the already extant material on the page it creates a fully-laid out description and the introduction now serves as what it should always have been but rarely attains: a summary of the entirety of the information on the page.
3) Add any new pictures wherever you think best, but do not delete any of the existing pages from the unit page. Instead, if there is no room in the body of the page, create a gallery for the older images if there is not one there already.
RE: Ion Weapons
Shas', Been checking a bunch of sources, but I'm having a hell of a time looking for any reference of the Demiurge providing the ion cannon technology to the Tau. I'll keep you posted if I find it.
Necrons - All done!
I have done all the pages that you assigned me. I hope they are of good quality :)
The latest 2 that I have created are:
No, the Books category is only for physical real world books published by the companies. No don't add the Books category to the Primer, the page for it is only for the in-universe book; the real world book would get a different page with an infobox for published works. I wouldn't worry about this now, all the pages for books will be the absolute last thing we concetrate on when everything on the wiki is mor or less complete. It's not that important. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 03:48, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
Sure that's a great idea. Also next week I will be busier than usual, so I may not be around as much as I am trying to get a business off the ground and real life concerns are most important right now. If you need anything particularly pressing solved, feel free to ask Algrim, though I realise he's on a bit of a hiatus now as well. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 08:28, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
If you wanna update the weapon pages, feel free. Algrim and I have plenty already on our plates and weapons are a low priority right now. The Necrons, as always, will get done when they get done, though they will be my focus in the coming motnhs in small weekly increments. It's a marathon, not a sprint. I am most concerned at present about the portal page and its related history pages which is what I will turn to first. When they are done, I will probably have a list for YOU. LOL. But don't worry about them until the Tau is done. There's plenty of material there to keep you busy for a while, and you can do all the Tau weapon pages to start. There's a lot of em. Montonius (talk) 08:33, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Shas, please stick to only what is written in the books. Your speculation may or may not apply to Titans and Plasma Destructors through logical inference, but unless it specifically says such a thing for that weapon and that type of vehicle in a published source, you cannot add it to a page. The page is correct in saying sometimes Plasma Weapons explode; it does not make a value judgment about how rarely or not that occurs and that is the correct wording. I like what you're doing, but you need to keep it much more tightly to only what is written, as we have done with the Chaos pages and the Necrons. However, I have altered the wording to reflect the points you made to me without overemphasizing it. Also, when I roll something back, it is done for a reason. Make the argument to me on my talk page about why you feel a certain edit should be altered so I can make a decision to correct it if I realize that I overlooked something that you found, not by editing it back and forth. That's a waste of time.
Also, don't take this as a reprimand. I like the Plasma Weapons page; it's coming along quite nicely, though you've bitten off a huge chunk of material. LOL.Thanks. Montonius (talk) 06:19, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the input on the neutron laser, I think I will attmept a page on the digi-weapons next, it looks like little material given and seems to be just a "small" one.Neithan02 (talk) 10:49, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
We have the most basic facts in the Rogue Trader RPG core rulebook on page 127
Demon Hunter Codex pg 17//Wtch Hunters Codex pg 21 Wahmmer 40k War Gear pg 45:
witch huntes codex pg 21 (same for the note on henchmen as in demonhunters codex)
Witch Huntersd pg 15 Demon Hunters pg 13
all units with possible access to digi weapons (to all equiptment from the Witch Hunter's Armoury) :
1. Lord Inquisitor
2. his Henchmen
3.Adepta Sororitas Heroine
5.Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
Demon Hunters Armoury, units with access to all items:
1. ordo Malleus Lord Inquisitor
2. Grey Knights Hero
3. Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
Witch Hunter Codex: pg 32, Demonhunter Codex pg 25 (bottom left)
Dark Heresy Ascension (RPG) pg 138
Digital Weapons in Rougue Trader (1st ed 1987)
Sources I have no acces to: Warhammer 40k Eisenhorn Trilogy and "the Inquisitor (1st book of Inquisition-War Trilogy)
Wonderful page on Plasma Weapons Shas'o! Great work. You will see I made very few changes. The only one which mattered, which was not your fault, was the reference to photonic power sources. That's a common mistake in GW literature on this topic, and its scientifically impossible. Elsewhere on the wiki we refer to this as a gaseous fuel cell if it contains hydrogen or we simply call it a fuel cell, leaving it ambiguous. The same changes have been made here, if you were wondering why. Other than that, it was a wonderful page, and thanks for taking it on.
I was just wondering if there was any more detail on how Tau Pulse Weapons work? That canon explanation is terrible and actually makes no sense with the limited detail about the particle breaking down under the effect of the containment field, but without any more detail, we'll just let it stand unless you can find anything else on the subject (which I highly doubt; GW is terrible when it comes to actually explaining how their weapons work; probably why it's a fantasy). Thanks again! Montonius (talk) 08:25, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Articles A and An
The article "an" is used instead of "a" before a word beginning in "X". It is an exception to the general rule because you use "an" in front of words that sound like they start with a vowel even if the actual letter is a consonant. Thus it is treated as "Ex" rather than as the consonant "x". This makes the correct notation "An XV88" rather than "A XV88." Grammatically yours, Montonius (talk) 02:49, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, no they weren't because I fixed them. I think there was some mistake when you published the page as the last set of changes i had made reverted. Weird. Hope it's not a new bug. Oh and nice work! Montonius (talk) 02:58, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Necron Dynasty Page Picture Help
Hey Shas'o, can you use your graphical magic when you get a chance to give me a bigger and clearer image of the makeup of a Necron dynasty on page 13 of the Necron 5th Edition Codex? I need someone with some picture manipulation skill and you did a great job with that picture of the Battlesuits from the Tau Empire Codex. I need a bigger and clearer version of that image of the Saurekh Dynasty on page 13 to add to the upcoming Necron Dynasty section on the Necrons portal page when I continue work this week. Thanks, and obviously, we have crappy sopurce material so anything you can do that is better than the current page would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Montonius (talk) 17:38, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much! It looks wonderful, a vast improvement over the GW version! Too bad the original source was so blurry. Thanks again! Now I know who to turn to for all my graphical needs! Montonius (talk) 08:14, May 29, 2013
Second, i have noticed that there aren`t any articles or images featuring Tau buildings and such. I have found this, which has already been sourced hereThere is also a cinematicsin the DoW Soulstorm game ,featuring Tau construction
I can get screenshots of it, do you approve adding them, and where?
if you really want to go into material on architecture, you could also go into some of the cinematics of "fire warrior" even though the graphics are quite old, the training facility of the bootcamp is definetely Tau.Neithan02 (talk) 07:01, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Sniper Drone Team
An unregistered user ripped the Sniper Drone Team page apart. I have restored your version, but he was adding material from pg. 46 of the new Tau Codex. You might want to take a look at the changes he made and make that page your next one to update, as its information is still based on the 4th Edition codex, I believe and it will keep that from happening again. Montonius (talk) 18:41, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
That's fine, Shas'o. Do it whenever you can; there's absolutely no rush on anything. Do it whenever you have time, I don't care if it takes a week or a month, and your plan about following a logical progression of drones sounds great. Montonius (talk) 19:22, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
Some of those historical events would be helpful for you to do; we don't need a Necrontyr page as it's redundant and already linked, and I will be handling almost everything on that list myself, so don't bother. I've already mapped out the pages for Tomb Worlds, characters, dynasties, C'tan, C'tan Shards, etc., though you can certainly add more to them, when they're done. But the Historical Events you can handle, though I would prefer that you finish the Tau first. However, if you really wanted to do something helpful on the Necrons as something different from the Tau, if you could add the new Necron units from the Fall of Orpheus, including the new pylons and the Night Shroud super-heavy bomber, and any others I didn't notice, that would be fantastic. I don't have time to read that book properly right now and the new units need someone with your level of attention to detail to do right. Thanks for the list; it will come in handy as a reminder for what I need to add. Montonius (talk) 21:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC).
Never fear, it's on my to-do list (thinking of making a blog post containing one). Originally I had intended to finish all the Imperial Titan pages, then move on to either Chaos Titans or Eldar Titans, but I have no problem in doing Eldar first, just to take a break from the Imperium and Chaos. I see that Lord Whitefang took the time to improve the page, but there is still much to be done, as I intend to make this page into a portal-page, similar to the existing Collegia Titanica and Titan pages. I might fit it in somewhere in between just to change pace, though. It's coming, but no promises as to when.
And thanks for the welcome!
Would you mind assisting me with editing the Jormungandr page or at least aide me in adding images, call me a novice but I can't seem to post pictures to it.
Much appreciated. :)
Shas'o, unfortunately, your Drone template needed a little bit of work. The information on the Drone Controller was repeated twice. I have removed the repetitious part and recombined the paragraphs of the template in a more logical order than was presented. Additionally, when you introduce a Drone in the article's introduction, you need to to say in the first two sentences what its function is before you begin to describe its appearance and other functionality. Lastly, while I applaud your use of examples to show how the Tau change the functions of Drone Squadrons in unexpected ways, your meaning in these cases was often unclear to the reader. Please check over these examples and make sure they say exactly what you want them to say, and that I have not misinterpreted it, or at least explain it to me and I will make sure it is phrased exactly as you want if I did not understand your intent properly. Over all, nice work. I just wanted to tell you what changes had been made and why before you think things were just ripped apart.
Additionally, in the future, when you know you are going to create a multi-page text template, it would be advisable to use it on just one page first, let me review it, and then go forward with injecting it onto multiple pages. In this way, we can both save ourselves a lot of unneccessary and repeated grunt work. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 23:02, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
No, I need you to finish the Tau first and formost, and whatever bit of the Necrons you wish to help with. I don't want efforts scattered onto other projects until these are complete. We will do the Tyranids when Tau and Necrons are wholly complete, and there's weeks to months of work still to do. Thanks.Montonius (talk) 10:15, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
If you want to use multiple pictures of Tau Flamers, create a separate page called Tau Flamer and make it as detailed as you wish. Otherwise you can use one picture of a Tau Flamer or the other on the main Flamer page. I personally would suggest creating a separate Tau Flamer page as the primary Flamer page is primarily for the Imperial variant of the weapon. Montonius (talk) 10:51, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
That's fine then. I don't care either way, but the page has aesthetic room for only one Tau Flamer picture. So choose your favorite, probably the one already present. Thanks.Montonius (talk) 10:59, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
Necron Particle Weapons
Hey Shas'o, I was wondering if you could do me a favour and create a small page on Necron Particle Weapons as a complement to the Gauss Weapons page? Just a small portal page on the subject, as these two represent the two major classes of Necron weaponry. I'd do it myself, but as the Necron weapons have been exclusively your excellent work, I would like to maintain the continuity of authorship. And only when you get the time; I don't want to pull you away from other things you have first on the agenda. Thanks! Montonius (talk) 04:05, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Sure a Tesla Weapon portal page would be fine. They don't have to be large, they are just portals to the other pages. The key notion is to make clear how the entire class of weapons works and then list the individual weapons, just like the Gauss Weapons page. Thanks! Montonius (talk) 04:15, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
I see little purpose for it unless you're willing to do one for all the races and factions. What is done for one faction, must be done for them all to maintain the principle of wiki symmetry. It's a hell of a lot of work for little gain, but if you're willing to do it, I wouldn't discourage you. However, it's hardly a priority, and I wouldn't waste time on such a project until like fifty million other things have been completed. Montonius (talk) 13:16, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
When you redirect to a section of a page, a piece of code which wikia mysteriously calls an anchor for reasons which elude me, you must redirect to the exact section title as printed on the page. The Mindshackle Scarabs link did not redirect properly as the section title was incorrectly named; I have repaired it. Montonius (talk) 13:33, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Broken Scarab Redirects
Fall of Orpheus
Please don't add any more material other than vehicles or weapons from the Fall of Orpheus book. The Imperial Armour books are so big and complicated that each one needs to be treated as a project in itself to guarantee that all the content is put up togther, kind of like how we do the codices. The equipment and vehicles can be added, but the story content really needs to be handled as a single piece, otherwise it just goes up piecemeal and becomes confusing, as has already happened with the Minotaurs Chapter page (which was my fault). Thanks. Montonius (talk) 01:43, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for the Necron characters! Very nice work. You can just go through the remaining red linked characters on the Necron portal page to see the others I flagged for a page, but I think you're only missing one or two at this point, maybe only one. Thanks!Montonius (talk) 02:00, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I would say that all of the Digital Edition stuff is useful to us, especially the pictures. However, we are unlikely to get much access to a lot of that material (which after all, is just created to pump up GW's profits) and the only stuff we really must have to do the wiki justice are the digital codex supplements, but there aren't going to be that many of those (only one 6th Edition codex left to go!). My guess would be, from what I have seen of the digital editions initiative, is that the pictures are the most useful thing to be had from any of the products in the series, but that we will find small, useful tidbits of information to enhance our pages in any of that material. However, other than the codex supplements, I don't think any of it will be a game-changer, so we can go without if necessary. I wouldn't worry too much about it, but if you want to get a few, I'd purchase whatever you wanted for the Tau pages, the Tactical Dreadnought Armour one, the Index Astartes one and the Abaddon the Despoiler one, if I could choose.
Warhammer 40k Wiki Ranked 52nd
I just thought you might like to know that this wiki was recently ranked 52nd amongst all other Wikis on all of wikia in the number of readers and in quality! There are well over 10,000 wikis in existence on wikia! This is an extraordinary achievement, and is due in no small part to the work you've helped put in. We are now ranked among the likes of the WOWwiki, the Star Wars wiki, the Harry Potter wiki, the Mass Effect wiki, and the like, all considered the best and most popular wikis in the world. I just thought you'd like to know! Montonius (talk) 00:08, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
No it was emailed to Admins by wikia. I believe its called the WAM (I'm not kidding) list, so maybe it exists somewhere on the wikia site for general public view. I don't know. Montonius (talk) 17:54, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
Shas, thank you for your upgrades to the pages I am working on. However, please do not alter the content (other than typos or obvious small errors) in a major way after I have given the final edit. If you wish to change something big because you believe it is in error or could be done in a different way, talk with me about it, either on the talk page of the page in question or on my own talk page. Constantly having to redo what I have already done is quite irritating. In general, I want things to match the written sources exactly, except where that would create an obvious error or makes the paragraph ungrammatical; I don't really care how long or short something is if it covers the topic with the relevant information. That is why I made some of the specific choices I did on the C'tan pages. The Canoptek pages were added because they are significant constructs, have pages on the Lexicanum and, as you can see, did have enough material to make a good page. Now, when you have a better idea on a page that I or someone else created, I will of course incorporate it, as you will see I did almost all of your suggested fixes; but in most cases I have added a particular piece of content or made a specific change for a very specific reason; please don't second-guess me unless you have first discussed it with me, as that just makes my work load bigger and leads to duplication of effort.
For instance, the change you made to the Tesseract Vault powers for the C'tan to more closely match the Apocalypse page's write-up was a fine idea; but I wanted all of the powers for the Transcendent C'tan displayed as that is what is contained within the vault and a user may not go to the other page; your idea was easily added to that material as a clarifier without deleting the C'tan's extra powers. If you told me that you wanted to make that change, I would have told you my reasoning and the change would have been much easier to make then forcing me to go back, and add all the material again and then add your suggestion. Just tell me the suggestion, and we will find the best way to incorporate it as is. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 04:22, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
Well those are all well thought-out responses. Thank you for taking the time.
To your point about the Tesseract Vault, which is a good one, I will make clear that the first three powers can be used only if the C'tan is freed from the Vault but I want them in place on the page for the reasons I already stated. That's an easy fix, and all you had to say.
As to the wording issues, I kept much of the changes you made and reworded the meteor power to deal with your concerns, as you can see, but what I tossed away was done because in the end I have the final edit and that is the way I want it phrased. In the rare case where this is a disagreement, I will ask that you simply respect my role as final editor; we will agree to disagree, but as I said, I kept most of your alterations anyway.
Finally, again, all of what you said is fine reasoning and I agree with many of the points you raised and have acted accordingly to make the fixes you suggested, but you need to make it clear to me what you want to change and why BEFORE doing it on big changes to content on pages that you did not create like the powers, etc; I don't really care as much about wording changes; that's all I'm really saying. I'm trying to avoid going back and forth and back and forth on a given page. If you communicate your concerns to me before making big changes, we will arrive at a better solution as above without going back and forth in an edit war until one or the other figures out the other person's intentions. My only real point, is that unlike anyone else, I have to go through every single article and every change made by everyone else every day; when I have to redo things I thought were already set over and over because I did not understand your intentions, it makes my life more difficult. That's it. Just a little more communication. No big deal. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 06:06, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
Rather than do the quotes right now, I have one more Necron project for you. The Necron Wargear page needs all the weapons added to it (as well as any other gear you feel appropriate). It's just a cut-and-paste job, but it will serve as the model for all the other xenos races and for the new Space Marine Wargear page Algrim and I will be doing in the wake of the new codex. There's no rush, do it whenever you have time. You already did all the work! Montonius (talk) 04:01, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, also, my next xenos target is the Dark Eldar, which needs to be completed like the Necrons and which I only half-finished. If you could start on doing all the weapons when you have time, that would also be very helpful. I think I will just call you the wiki's Armourer! LOL. Montonius (talk) 04:04, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
I agree, please get rid of all the vehicles and spacecraft/aircraft on the page; they should have their own, separate pages. Only weapons. If you could find the source for those vehicles and leave them on my Talk Page I will create separate pages for them. Or, if you prefer, you can create the pages if you want to finish off the Necron vehicles yourself. It's up to you, but I don't know the sources for some of those older 3rd Edition vehicles which weren't in the 3rd Edition Codex, and I won't be able to get to the Necrons again for a week or so. Montonius (talk) 04:14, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'll ask Algrim, but, honestly, with the complete retcon of the Necrons, it just really isn't that important anymore. Just do the page up to the new standards as you see fit whenever you get around to it; I know you're busy. Montonius (talk) 04:25, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
That's a nice page. Lotta work there. If you're up to doing the same thing for all the factions, you could make it a formal page, and I'll create a new category for quote pages we can use on them. It's up to you; I know it is a lot of work for little reward, other wise making it a blog is a good idea for just the one faction. Montonius (talk) 04:10, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
That's fine, make it a long-term project then. I just wanted to tell you that you did a fantastic job with the Tau Quotes, so I'd love to have you produce ones for every faction, it'd be a real hit with our fans! But do it at your own pace and let me know whenever you're ready; we've got plenty of work to do! Montonius (talk) 04:24, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
When you use the term "hitting power" are you referring to the damage done by the weapon? If so, simply say damage, as your chosen term is too ambiguous and really does not mean anything. Even the preferred "striking power" I used as a replacement is still too ambiguous and really says nothing to the reader, so if you are saying increased damage, please say that. Montonius (talk) 00:07, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
OK, well if more power per shot does not translate into more range, damage or a larger damage radius, its meaningless for our purposes, regardless of what happens in the tabletop game. Use the term "striking power" when referring to this concept, but I really wouldn't mention it at all or only mention it in conjunction with what matters for our purposes when dealing with the qualities of a weapon, which is range, damage and damage radius. Montonius (talk) 00:18, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
OK that's great! Then say exactly what you just told me on the page, please and in all the other ones you do for the weapons when the issue reemerges. Terms like "hitting power" simply are too ambiguous to be useful or
Thanks for picking up my slack and fixing those pages our random vandalizing editor did to all those pages! Sheesh! Gone for an hour and I come back to this mess! Anyways, the problem has been handled. He's blocked! Algrim Whitefang (talk) , Associate Administrator
Thanks for the info ;) Is that trick somethign all users can do or are only Algrim, Montonius and you able to do that?
Scuse me boss, but it looks like we might have a bit of a problem. This fellow, 188.8.131.52, has been goin about makeing mangled versions of other pages. Since I can only clear the pages and can't seem to figure out how to eliminate the dopple-ganging Titles, could you be able to?Rambling Hominid (talk) 18:27, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
Please do not do this type of maintenance at this time. As you do not have the deletion power, you are forcing me to go over and check every one of these requests. This then forces me to spend time on this that I do not have and would be better spent on creating and fixing pages. While you certainly did helpfully identify many links that needed to be removed, this is the type of busy work best saved for a time when we have most of the content created. Also, please do not nominate for deletion certain links that are used as plurals of the page they represent (eg. Bionics, Augmetics), as I often use these links when doing hyperlinking on newly-created pages and they appear often enough that I created them as a form of editing convenience. Also, certain links you nominated, like the individual Eldar Craftworlds, will get their own pages as you suggested, but those links are necessary placeholders at this time until those pages are created in the future, which is why I allowed them to remain. We will do a major cleanup of this in the future, but it is not a priority now and forces me to spend time I don't have. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 16:00, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Actually I didn't add any of that; the information came from Algrim several months ago; I simply rewrote it as I had never read the new 6th Edition material on him -- now I have. A quick perusal of the Codex shows that the History section is now an exact copy of the Codex information. Don't bother with it for now, stick with finishing the units and weapons. I'll do the page myself when I get around to it; I have the sources to add the material from the Farsight Enclaves supplement, which is all that is missing. If you do eventually add anything to it after I finish, I want only the exact text from the Codex and the Farsight Enclaves addition, no rewriting of anything else, no further additions beyond the exact info from those sources so the issue is put to rest once and for all, as Farsight has been a problem before. Thank you very much for the heads-up. Montonius (talk) 17:01, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
All right, what the hell, I've got so little time anyway, do it -- I trust you. But I need the Farsight Enclaves page done first, then transfer the relevant info over to the Commander Farsight page. The information on The Eight can be presented in summary form on both pages, then create a separate page for The Eight with each character's full summary and his Battlesuit picture. This page I may edit very closely, so don't be surprised if I rebuild some parts of it more extensively than is normal for the pages you do; on the other hand, if it comes out OK, you will save me tremendous time. One other suggestion; please try and leave as much of the existing text on the Commander Farsight page as possible since I usually like to have the Codex text somewhere on the page; it might be best to move the Codex text of both pages into the intro text, and then use the more detailed material from the Farsight Enclaves supplement as the main body of the article. Also, when you finish Farsight, you might as well do all the upgrades and additions to all the other Tau Characters as well. Anyway, let's see how it goes! Montonius (talk) 10:57, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
Just a Thank You
I was recently going over the Tau Codex (6th Edition) and I noticed how the Tau units are all laid out in modular fashion, such that each Battlesuit has no set weapons configuration and so forth. I just wanted to take a minute and express to you my appreciation for the work on all the Tau units you did. Having worked on all the other forces, I never realized exactly what a freaking bitch it must have been to collect all that data since the army lists for the Tau don't give exact weapons specifications for each unit, like the Space Marines, Eldar, etc. I did not realise at the time exactly how much work you had put in to get those pages to come out right because of the sheer mind-boggling array of options those units, particularly the Battlesuits, possess. So I just thought you should know that having recently updated all the Space Marine stuff, I realised how much effort it took to get those pages right, and let you know that your Lead Administrator greatly appreciates it. Montonius (talk) 17:51, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
Imperial Armour and Farsight
I understand your concern; this is the only instance of this kind where I must insist the Imperial Armour label be somewhere in the cite to indicate the exact origin of the book being discussed. Also, the title is meant to refer to the company, not the Imperial Armour sourcebook series. If you are unhappy with it being first, and I can understand why this is a problem, I can live with a cite like this where the Imperial Armour is no longer considered part of the series title but the parentheses indicate the exact source of the book:
The Horus Heresy - Book One: Betrayal (Imperial Armour), pg. xx
In fact, I should have done it that way in the beginning. If you want to change it in that way across the wiki, feel free, but those cites for the first book are all over the place and it's a huge job. But go ahead if you can, but make sure to remember all the components of the cite.
You can do the Farsight pages in any order you choose, but in the end you will just be transferring information from one page to another. If I were doing the pages, I would do the Farsight Enclaves first to make sure that all the information from the Supplement was transferred first to the one place where all of its is required, then make excisions where necessary for the less inclusive page. The way you are proposing I think is more work, and I also just again need to make clear that I want an almost exact one-to-one transfer of all the content in that book, so keep the alterations to a minimum. But ultimately I gave the project to you; as long as all of the information in that book makes it onto the relevant pages and I don't have to do much to fix it up, you can do however you choose. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 06:25, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well thank you for the vote of confidence! I'm just so tired of saying the same stuff over and over again to these aggressive personalities who will not listen and refuse to understand why we are different (not to mention they might assume that with an avaerage of 140,000 readers a day [yes a new milestone!] I might know how to make a wiki work). Anyway, I will stay as long as I can stand it to maintain the wiki, but with work and my family, its getting harder to find the time and it's like a part-time job.
Oh, don't worry about the Tau fluff, when I finish the Necrons (LOL one day, the portal page is almost done, I swear!) I will do the Tau portal page, which will be as detailed as the Necrons. You can then actually cut and paste material across the wiki the way I will do with the Necron crap. Also, years ago, on the Dakka Dakka forums, there was a guy who actually created a thread containing every piece of known lore on every Tau Sept to that time. This is pages and pages of stuff and I copied it all for our use, so the Tau Septs should actually turn out fantastic and be the most complete listing ever created. Anyway, thanks for all the help, and the kind words, I have to get going. More Space Marines tomorrow!Montonius (talk) 06:33, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, well in that case, like I said, I gave the Farsight project to you, do it the way you believe best and the way that means I have to do as little work as possible! LOL. Montonius (talk) 06:35, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
Calibre of the Battle Cannon
Yes, but his number is derived from fan-made calculations; those are not admissable; plus he actually came up with two different numbers and I can't trust that. I'll ask Algrim, but If I can't get a number, I'll revert it to what was on the page or maybe just remove the number all together. GW certainly makes mistakes now and again, but we have to go with the published material, not fan speculation, no matter how good. Montonius (talk) 15:18, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Shas'o, your growing page on Farsight is fantastically detailed and will certainly be a masterpiece; thank you for taking on such a pain-in-the-ass project. However, I can already tell you that your introduction is way too long and detailed, and too many of your sentences in the intro are gramatically awkward because you are trying to cram too much additional information into each sentence because of your detailed knowledge of the subject. Cut the intro down to just the text from the Codex (you can add the part about what was truly happening to Shas'O when he defected if you want; I know the Codex deliberately kept back that information), and place all the rest of your detail in the main body of the history text. Also please stick as closely as possible to the text of the sources; your additions beyond the texts of the sources sometimes require me to make very heavy revisions because of needed grammatical changes; the less you do that the less I will have to alter. Of course, you can also just leave it as you see best and I will make the edits I deem necessary when you are done -- it's up to you, but I just wanted to let you know the problems I'm seeing that will need to be changed eventually.
Also, please don't begin the Farsight Enclaves page until I have completed the edits of the Commander Farsight page, so that you can copy and paste the edited text onto the Enclaves page, thus preventing a doubling of the workload for me. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 15:39, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
OK, cool, the phrasing then just needs a bit of tightening because of the multiple sources you pulled from and I'm just reacting to that. I don't want you to think I'm complaining, as I said, you are creating a masterpiece.Montonius (talk) 17:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
Great work on Farsight Shas'o! Really top-notch job. Unfortunately, after all your hard work, I don't have time right now to edit such a massive page, and I probably will not get around to it until next week at the earliest. If I don't get to it by Monday, you can just copy paste what you want over to the Farsight Enclaves and begin your reconstruction of that page, and I will paste over my own edits to the Enclaves later, after I get around to the Farsight edits. Again, great work, and thank you for taking this on and saving me time. I appreciate your dedication, your attention to detail and most importantly, your recent support against the nuts! Montonius (talk) 18:49, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
Can you do a page for this material even if it is only a few sentences like the Adamantium or Ceramite pages which it is similar to? If not, I will do it myself, but it should be done by you for continuity's sake. If you do not wish to still, I will do it myself, but can you then point me at the best source and page number as a reference for the text? Thanks. Montonius (talk) 21:49, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. As these articles are generally written from the human point of view, you can just use the standard line about being an alloy unknown to the Adeptus Mechanicus. The reasonthe page should exist is that we have similar small pages for all of the Imperial materials which are used in a similar way. Montonius (talk) 22:08, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the wargear!
Another superb job Shas'o on the Necron Wargear. It's so good, in fact, that I'd like you to take a break from the Farsight pages and do one for Space Marine Wargear since we just finished up adding the 6th Edition material, if you would be willing. Space Marines drive much of the traffic to the site, so it would be a great addition, particularly since I would like you to use the exact same format you did for the Necrons, which is brilliant. You'll also have to do one for the Tau! LOL. I see a lot of copy-paste in your future. Again, thank you for the work. Montonius (talk) 22:25, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
Hey there. I was looking over your to do list when it came to Tau pages. Great work so far by the way. Anyway I noticed that there were entries called the Kor'vatra (old fleet) and Kor'or'vesh (New Fleet. Anyway i was wondering about those two, and being the biggest Tau buff on the site I was wondering if you knew whether the "Old Fleet, New Fleet" thing represented a reorganization of the Tau Navy within the setting itself, or if it was a retcon with the Kor'or'vesh taking the place of the Kor'vattra in official fluff. I am your master! At your service. (talk) 07:56, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
I was reffering to something like that page wich Algrim Whitefand ahs created about Reclusium Command Squad but what about Dataslate about Belakor the Dark Master he is as I remembre a new character and will I create a new page about him or put him somewhere else? I thank you in advance :D
Hey Shas'o. Could you help Algrim with the editing of the articles? He needs someone to read his material and catch some obvious errors because he adds so much in a given day, as I did very briefly on the Inquisition page. Also, the user Sanguinor's contributions were not up to speed; I see you are mentoring him, but those dataslate pages needed some work. You can see the corrections I made there and on the Inquisition page. Sorry to ask you to take on more work, but Algrim really needs the help of someone with a sharp eye for detail and an understanding of our standards. Thanks in advance for anything you can do to help him. Thanks!Montonius (talk) 03:20, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Shas'o thank you for looking after things so well in recent days. However, the additions to the Cato Sicarius page about the return to Damnos made by the unnamed editor should simply have been rolled back. Though this was new material drawn from the Apocalypse: War Zone Damnos book, it was a poorly written summary, riddled with grammatical and spelling errors. It also was chronologically out of joint on that particular page and should have received its own section at the bottom of the page so users do not confuse it with the original Damnos Incident, which was not clear in the original text. Additionally, the material was not sourced properly and its cite contained no page numbers. I have repaired all of this save for the page numbers, as I do not have access to that book. In the future, when an unnamed editor adds material like this that is unsourced, please simply roll it back. While I realise the material was new and should eventually be added to the relevant pages, adding even new and needed material of such poor quality that is also not properly sourced will eventually reduce this wiki to the terrible state of most others.
While I know some loss of quality is inevitable now, I depend on you to do your best to maintain what we built, as Algrim is a whiz at adding content, but he doesn't have your eye for detail or for maintaining our standards. In the future, especially as GW is releasing new material at an almost breakneck pace now with their digital initiatives, just roll this stuff back unless either you or Algrim is able to verify it against the actual source and language of the original. If this means we have to wait a few months until the source becomes available to us, I'm comfortable trading time for quality. As always, thanks for everything you do; it's really helping out. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 05:07, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
I fixed the Leviathan page and made a seperate one for the Capitol Imperialis, they're just too similar, and then there's the Behemoth tank which I don't know where it belongs...
If you or anyone reading this has a copy of the 2nd Edition Epic 40,000 Expansion Armies of the Imperium or any of the White Dwarf issues that featured any of these vehicles, I'd be very greatful for some help fixing any problems. Thanks!
Any pages that in your judgement get massively changed or have large new additions, such as the recent Land Raiders, should also be added to my priority edits alongside wholly new pages, as there were quite a few errors on them. Thanks. Montonius (talk) 21:49, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I did notice the vehicles, but I can't see individual edits back farther than about 3 days if a great many have been made, so if I'm gone for a week, I won't know what has been changed beyond that time span. Unfortunately, due to the nature of my family emergency, I cannot check in according to a regular schedule. Sometimes I can find an hour or two across one or two days, other times I can be gone entirely for 5 or 6 days or even a week. That's why I need your reports. Thank you very much for keeping track of what's going on for me. It's really appreciated in this difficult time. Montonius (talk) 17:13, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
A Thank You and Tyranid Units and Weapons
Hey Shas'o, I saw your addition of the new Eldar weapon. I was thinking that when you have the time, if you could begin slowly adding the new Tyranid units and weapons just as you did with the Necrons now that the new 6th Edition Codex has become available, that'd be a great thing for the wiki. The Eldar are less important than th Tyranids in terms of the level of interest, though they are comparable.
Also, thank you very much for your regular updates on priority edits -- this has been enormously helpful in keeping the wiki's quality as high as we possibly can during this difficult time for me. This reflected in our daily numbers: we now are AVERAGING 150,000 daily individual users; the highest numbers we have every recorded. Thanks! Montonius (talk) 18:48, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
RE: Pic Source
The pic is from one of my favorite deviantart artists, Master Alighieri. Check it out: Cadia Stormtrooper
The rest was done with a little bit of photoshop magic on my part. Hope you dig it!
Hi Shas'o, thanks for your continuing updates on my page; they are extremely helpful in keeping things flowing as smoothly as possible at this difficult time.
One question: do I actually need to closely edit the Tau Wargear page? Or is it just a cut-and-paste job from the weapon pages I have already edited? If the latter, I will simply give it a spot check the next time I am on; if it requires a full edit job, I will still leave it for next time as I have run out of time for this week.
RE: Major Issue
Just so you know...the 'situation' is being handled. I'll keep you in the loop.
I am deeply sorry that what should have been a recognition of your extraordinary contributions instead has to be granted in this more hurried and unexpected way, but it is a position which you were well on your way to earning anyway. So now it is official. As you know, our rules structure is hierarchical. Due to his seniority, I will expect you to still follow the lead of Acting Lead Administrator Algrim if there is a difference of opinion in some matter between you two, but at this time, I think all three of us have now been on the same page for quite a while and work well together as a team, so I foresee no conflicts, particularly as I am essentially out of action and unable to provide much in the way of direction.
Your duties as the new Associate Admin, beyond those listed in our formal rules, will include serving as our editor/contributor relations point person and rules enforcer, as you have done before and have done in the forums for some time now. When someone needs correction on how to follow our rules and procedures, or is not producing edits up to snuff, it will be your duty to help them along, and if necessary, sanction them, though I am happy to do that on your recommendation if you still have qualms over it. I have no problem banning anyone for anything at this moment.
Thanks and congratulations,
P.S. Please forgive my language; I was angry past the point of endurance. The situation has been resolved by Algrim, and we can continue on as before. But again, congratulations.
My thanks for your very kind words. You have no need to apologise for anything; I, more than many, know how the demands of real life can get in the way of contributions to our project. As to your contributions, you add what you can when you can; your Tau Wargear page was excellent. I am greatly looking forward to the day that you can begin to work your magic on the Tyranid units and wargear, which is the next great frontier. I will remain as involved as I have been these last few months, which means a weekly check-in and a rare addition when I can find the time to our pages. I promise to complete the long-delayed Necron portal page at the first opportunity (I swear!), though only a small addition is required. Thanks again and I know the wiki will only benefit from having your as our newest Admin. Montonius (talk) 10:41, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Shas. I recently did a little bit of editing on the First and Second Sphere Expansions. They had a few spelling and grammar mistakes that I corrected. Good job on them by the way. Anyway I left one thing that I noticed alone due to ignorance. In the latter of the two articles a section regarding Hive Fleet Gorgon described their invasions as Vomcious. I am fairly certain that vomcious is not an actual word, and that the word that had been intended was voracious. However the two words are different enough that another word could have been intended, and it would not be the first time I came across a term I was unfamiliar with when going through 40k lore, so I left it as is. I am your master! At your service. (talk) 04:57, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Woops! My bad. I figured since you're the biggest Tau editor that you had been behind them. Well I guess I proved that old idiom about assuming. Also you're most welcome. I am your master! At your service. (talk) 05:12, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
I've already messaged Algrim about this, but as I've yet to see a response from him I figured I'd bring this to you as well.
I'm an admin at the Warhammer 40k Fanon Wiki, which was/is (depends on who you ask) the sister wiki of this one. A few years back, the link to our wiki was removed from the main page here. My fellow fanon administrators and I respectfully ask that it be restored, as we have left the link to this wiki up despite the lack of reciprocation. We also regularly refer our users to visit this wiki so that they can have a better understanding of the setting in general. If there are any requirements you'd like my wiki to meet before even considering adding the link back to the main page, I'm willing to do whatever is needed.
Thank you for your time,
I have restored a link for them on the main page that is equal to the other wikis we link to but is in the first position. That's all we're doing in terms of promoting someone else's wiki. Montonius (talk) 16:55, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
Unknown Founding Chapters
Hi Shas! It's Zixis. You and Algrim must have noticed that I had added 13 chapters to the unknown Founding list. I'm planning on finishing this. But before I could do that, I wanted to ask you if I should add a source to every chapter that I have added so far?
Apologies for the mistake on rediting the Ravenger page, I just wanted to add a sources area (I a bit rusty to how wikia's work since I haven't been editing a wikia in a while).
Wolf Lord Icons
Hey Shas, can you please make sure all of Algrim's Wolf Lord totems are set to 250px? I've gotten all the ones he already added, but please do the same for any new ones. Thanks! Montonius (talk) 07:53, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
Time to Edit
Hi Shas'o, can you please refrain from adding any material until I complete the edits? Algrim has added so much material this past week I do not have time to go through it all (the Ork additions are immense) and I have asked him to add nothing new until I tell him I have completed them. As you can see, I made good headway, but it will take me at least two more days to complete them all. I know you're not adding much material now anyway, but if you had planned to suddenly add every weapon in the galaxy this week, please refrain from doing so until the edits are complete for the week.;) Please keep up the vigilance on other editors as always, and thanks for all your help in tracking the changes I have to look at. Montonius (talk) 09:07, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Shas'o, in the future, can you remind Algrim to please not add these massive amounts of material in such a short time span if you see it getting out of hand? It took me EIGHTEEN hours over three days to edit everything he did before I could let him start up production again, and I had no time to check on anyother changes that might have been made by other editors because of it. I simply do not ever have the time to do that again. If this happens once more, I will simply have to stop editing, and that will badly decay the quality of the wiki over time, or I will have to make him stop adding material until I get through it over several days like this time, which is highly inefficient. I understand it was a one-time upgrade for the long awaited new Ork Codex, but still, the material should have been parcelled out over 2-3 weeks. So far, I've been able to handle everything on a weekly basis, but he added so much I just can't keep up if this stuff is to be edited properly with all my other responsibiltes now. I have told him all this of course, but sometimes a quick and friendly reminder from his fellow Admin may stop this before it happens again when I'm not around. Thanks again! Montonius (talk) 10:33, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
Page editing issues still occurring?
Hello, I was simply wondering if my edits are still leaving strange coding in the page, I have switched to only editing via Source mode, but the reason I'm asking is because I notice the admins editing each page I edit, as if there's some sort of problem. MasterofAgony693 (talk) 08:27, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
I may have to do that, for the sake of the admins I'll overlook errors in the articles until I can figure out the problem.
I wanted to ask wether you needed access to any material (short stories, novels, anthologies), as i have acces to a rather big colleciton (see my blog for details) and i can sometimes dig up additional books and volumes.Neithan02 (talk) 21:06, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
question about a thread
Hey shas, sorry to bother you but just wondering , on my thread about doctor who related to 40k in anyway. you edited one of my posts, just wondering why exactly? i dont mind of course im just wondering why , hope im not disrespecting you or anything by asking this.General patton 101 (talk) 22:36, October 26, 2014 (UTC)patton
Changing the Edits I Made.
How come when I edit some of the pages, you revert them back to the previous version?
This is about the Killa Kans artice. I understand mine wasn't of very good quality, but I feel like we should actually make a page that isn't deleted. It's red-linked on a number of pages, so I feel like we should actually make a page. When I say "we" I pretty much mean an admin though, or someone with more experience :)
Glad to see you back on today! As always, a pleasure to see you on active on the wiki! Thanks for going behind me and checking up on things. Just fyi, I updated all the Space Marine Chapters' galleries so that they are all standardized to be 200px, as well as the Chapter Colour Schemes. So those are good to go now. Don't freak when you see all the edits! They are only minor changes. LOL... If there is anything else you can think of, just drop me note. See you around... Oh, and if you need anything, just drop me a note.
Heavy table-top referencing on Kroot
The Kroot Species section has a lot about the game stats. I'm not sure exactly what to edit though, as you seem to revert most of my edits... Can you please at least explain the reversion on Obsidiax ?
Hi Shas', It's Zixis. I don't really know to whom I should address, since Montonius is almost never on the wiki, and Algrim just doesn't reply to my messages. I don't know, maybe he is busy or just had enough of me (with me writing him like 3 messages, I think?) I don't know if it is a personal thing or what, but what ever.
The thing that I wanted to ask you about is the recent increasing of the pages that are being added to the wiki lately. I do remember that you've asked not to add any more pages, and I really support that (even though I've myself added like 6 pages before you told to stop adding more). But I just don't get it. People are just adding more and more! Why are these pages are not deleted? Why Algrim works so hard to edit a page that may be utterly useless? (like the Primaris-rogue Witch and the Renegade & Heretic Warbands ). All of this is adding more job for Montonius once he returns. I don't know how to say this, but isn't it like showing that you don't care about the Administrator? Like you do whatever you want to do? Regardless how much time Montonius will have to spent later editing all those pages?
Maybe this is some kind of temptation? You two look down on the other smaller contributors, and see that they add all kind of pages, and ask yourself " why shouldn't we do it as well "? And then you start adding more pages yourself. I am sorry if all this sound rude, not that I wanted to sound like it. Maybe I just take all this too seriously? Maybe, but something tells me that this is just not right.
I understand that your word is not a law, but shouldn't there be some kind of order here? Some consideration towards the Admin? Tell me if I'm wrong.
I just wait patiently when Montonius will return and edit all those pages himself (so I could add some pages myself). But then I see you guys, who suppose to be the roll-models for the contributors of this wiki. You let others add pages, and add pages yourself. And now I don't really know on who should I rely on this wiki.
I know that I'm nobody to judge you, since I'm not even close to all the hard work that you've gave this wiki. I hope that everything that has been written here will not be too offensive for you.
Hope you understand.
I knew that you would understand Shas! And thank you again for replying to my message!
I hope that Montonius will not be leaving us any time soon. That is kind of sad thing to hear.
One more thing, how do I add a line of space in a table format? ( that big square where notable figures are at). Like in the Warboss page or that of the Imperial Saints.
Thank you for answering my question about whether it is possible to destroy a Chaos God, but there is something else I wanted to ask. Are there any photographic depictions or pictorial descriptions of the Eldar Goddess of Fertility, Life, Healing and Growth known as Isha? I was curious because I was reading about the Eldar God, Cegorach, who survived Slaanesh's onslaught and there is a pictoral description of him present, but not her. Plus I was fascinated by what an Eldar goddess would look like.Consus, the Erudite God (talk) 21:14, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
Who's in charge of the Warhammer Fantasy wiki?
Since Montonius has left, I am concerned on who is going to be handling the wiki now that he is gone? I've asked Algrim about it, but he has not replied....
Grey Knight Dante - "Burn the Witches, Kill the Heretic's!" (talk) 23:41, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Why for the trivia section on Torquemada Coteaz, reverted by edits even though Coteaz clearly had a connection to the real-life inquisitor?
Hey Shas'! I am currently working on my own Rogue Trader RP, not the one with the Rulebook of course... the one who was supposed to play as our Rogue Trader has not answered for a while now. And I am thinking that maybe you could replace Danny?
I am still waiting for Danny, until the Sunday that is... if he won't reply until then, then you are in.
You can place your character's profile here: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:60411#18
This is the contents that your profile must contain: Name, gender, age, career, hair colour, eye colour, height, weight, skin colour (Caucasian/white, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/black and Australoid/Australian), languages (not necessary), gear/wargear, background (2 or 3 paragraphs).
If Danny does reply until that time, then I would be very cool if you could take a role of an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor. Someone got to watch over a wild Rogue Trader, right?
Hope to see you in the RP!
Hey Shas'! I understand, you are a busy person. I thought that you would say that, but you cannot be 100% certain until you try, right?
About the sources, I do remember that I've added the source for the Freebooters: Rogue Trader: Koronus Bestiary (RPG), pp. 72-73.
About the Autarchs, the Source for the Notable Autarchs was already there when I added them, again: Rogue Trader: Koronus Bestiary (RPG), pp. 58-59.
RE: Source Editing
Just FYI...on this wiki we have ALWAYS listed the most current edition of the codex from newest-to-oldest (7th Edition, 6th Edition, 5th Edition ect..) In the larger scheme of things does it truly matter? No, it doesn't. But for clarity's sake, and for consistency, I will continue to categorize the source material in that order, just as I have always done. So, I'll ask you...please...stop reverting the original order I had it in, from oldest-to-newest. If you wish to list the sources in that order on the articles you are working on, that is fine by me, but please cease and desist changing the order on the articles I have worked on. Otherwise, we would have to revert the order of sources on literally thousands of articles...I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to do that. I know I don't!
Thanks for your understanding and your cooperation.
I understand this is a point of contention between us, but please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not gainsaying your effectiveness as a Moderator, nor am I trying to say anything negative in regards to your efforts on this wiki. If anything, I'm grateful that you've continued to stick it out and consistently contribute, edit and keep me in check during Monti's extended absence. I really do appreciate everything you've done, and continue to do! I just wanted you to know that. Keep up the excellent work!
I agree with you on this point. I let it slide on a couple of articles Zxis edited, but I will more than likely revert them back to how they were. We should strive for consistency across all the articles after all. I'll go back and look over those 'offending' pages once again and have a word with Z. I'm a firm believer in the old adage, 'If it ain't broke...don't fix it'
my forum behavior
I just wanted to ask, and as I normally see you as forum moderator, I thought I'd ask you. I know that my style of entering discussions there can be pretty harsh. Is it somehting that rubs the "institution of the wiki" the wrong way? Or is it okay to be unfriendly as long as I do not do that by default and as long as I can back it up with reasoning?Neithan02 (talk) 13:23, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
No problem, Sha's. And thanks, I really try my best.
Adding articles of the Inquisition
Hey Shas', what's up? I left a message Algrim, asking for his premission to add more articles relating to the Inquisition. But, as always, he didn't reply. So, as the third-in-command, I ask of you the premission to add articles associating with the Inquisitorial factions.
New Eldar Codex
Hey Shas, how is going? I just wanted to tell you that I have obtained the recently new Eldar Codex (Codex Eldar: Craftworlds). I do not possess the necessary skills to add entire contents to the eldar craftworlds articles like Algrim. But If you want, I can add the colour schemes of various craftworlds eldars. Or do you want to leave all the work for Algrim and yourself? If this is the case, then I don't mind...
Can you help me?
Hello Shas'o, I hate to bother you right now but I am having an issue with the former Admin's Warhammer Fantasy wiki site.....to put it simply, I wish if you could help me get into contact with admin Montonius.....it's been 5 months since he left and it is urgent that I ask who would be taking care of the site.....PLEASE RESPOND.....I've tried messenging Algrim about this for several months now but either he has not read my messeges or he simply ignored them....Please can you help me?.....Please respond....please
Hi Shas, I have just created the daemonhost page. Now, don't get me wrong, I do remember what you told me about the Disclaimers. I tried to use it in the source mode on the pictures, but they would suddenly vanish. Maybe I did something wrong? I am not sure...
Do all the corrections to the article that you and Algrim must do. And if you could explain me again how does the disclaimer works, that would be wonderful.
Voss and Voss Prime, believe it or not, are two separate pages...you can see them both clearly on the Forge World galaxy map on the Forge World page. I know, I was confused at first, myself.
Hey Shas, I just wanted to tell you that I am willing to add the Inquisition’s factions articles. I know that you think that there is no need for them, but I think otherwise. I assume that you will have no objections regarding that.
Hey Shas. I was asking Algrim about my promotion, but he did not reply. So... I've made it to 4,300 edits. Is it good enough to be promoted to the rank of moderator? I want to know your opinion, if I am ready or not. I am fine with whatever decision you will make.
Totally forgot to thank you for promoting me to the rank of Moderator! So... Thank you! Though I doubt that Algrim will congratulate me on this promotion... anyway, thanks again! I will keep up with contributing even more data! You'll see!
Just a Quick Question
Hi! So I've noticed on a handful of pages, mostly weapon pages, that when I add a few images, like the Slugga page most recently, that you've removed them. The images have all been pre-existing on the wiki and have been in accordance to the page topic. So with all that in mind I was hoping the reasoning of that could be clarified, I haven't been here for too long so I totally get that I might just not be aware of something thats wrong, but I'd like to know. So, yeah, thanks for your time!
Hadn't occured to me but totally makes sense, will make sure to keep in mind, thanks for the quick response. Cheers to a continued future of top notch Wiki-ness!
Hi Shas thank you for the warm welcome. I am not returning regularly at this time, but will check in from time to time to slowly work down that list of edits. Thank you for keeping that, you did a wonderful job and you really did not have to! And thank you for working with Algrim to keep the standards we created in place; as I told him, you guys did a great job on that to. Thanks so much and for all you'll do in the future.
The only thing I would ask is that in future if you wish to add someone to the staff, please tell Algrim to ask me about it, he can get in touch with me, as all the Admins should weigh in and agree before somone is raised.
Hey Shas'! What's up? I know that you are busy and all, but I have an idea! What if I add the data from the codex to a few numbers of the articles that are related to Tau, and you will then make the editing and make sure that everything looks the way you like. Everyone's a winner, what do you say?
I see you are struggling with my superscriptions in the Space Marine Pages. Shall I remove all superscriptions from the sources, that I inserted? Otherwise, I found it to be consistend, that there is a superscripted st/nd/rd/th after the Legion number. If there is any standard to that, please tell me. I will be happy to apply it to any article I stumble across.
Can you explain to me why all of the sudden were removing the super-scripting from the articles? We've been doing this for almost six months now, and I see no reason why we need to revert all the articles now, after-the-fact. If you'd like to debate the merits or cons in regards to these changes, I'd appreciate it if you'd consult me first, before making sweeping changes across the wiki, as I am the acting Senior Admin. If you'd like, we can set a date and time and discuss it amongst ourselves and the other admins. Let me know what will work for you. No hard feelings, but I'm putting my foot down on this one. No more changes. Leave the super-scripting in place please.
RE: Angels Resplendent
I re-read the orginal source, the short story "The Crown of Thorns," and it specifically states blue and gold. I think the confusion lies from the recently released "Adeptus Astartes: Successor Chapters" (Limited Release Booklet). Inside, it shows an Astartes of the Angels Resplendent wearing orange and black coloured power armour. This should be take with a grain of salt, as there are several examples of Chapters wearing the wrong colour scheme. (Yes, even Games Workshop can make mistakes!) They obviously miscommunicated with some of the artists on some of these colour schemes. The Angels Resplendent were obviously one of them.
Emperor's Champion Rainhart
Hey Shas', what's up? I've noticed that you deleted Rainhart from the Notable Emperor's Champions content, but why? If that was about the source then it was already presented. Rainhart is the main character of the Emperor's Chosen short story.
If that was because he was the only character without a title, then it's just irrelevant. That was the reason why I've moved the titles of the other champions. I will place him back on the list.
Keep An Eye Out
Hey Shas'o'Kais, just wanted to bring you up to speed. I also informed ZiXIS what's going on. Recently, one of our many new contributors has been making a whole slew of errors on multiple wiki articles, including horrendous spelling errors, not adding disclaimers to pictures, and generally not abiding by established wiki rules that are clearly posted on the Main Page. His name is Dantioch. He has already been warned, but please keep an eye on him over the next few days. If it becomes an issue, please let me know. If his behavior persists, I'll have no choice but to lock his account for a few days. I only want to do this as a last resort, as I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, and chalking it up to being a new editor. Please keep me posted. Thanks!
Codex: Tyranids 7th Edition
Hey Shas, what's up? Listen, I've ricently checked the Grey Knights' 7th Edition, and found out that the Titan's moon article possess a source from that codex. The art style is similar with that of the Tyranids' cover of their latest codex (which is also the 7th edition). The thing is that the latest Tyranids codex has only 105 pages, while the 6th edition has more than 200. What I am saying is that there is a Tyranids 7th codex, just as there is 7th Grey Knights codex, 7th Blood Angels codex, Imperial Guard (the codex is called Astra Militarum), and so on...
I am not trying to be rude... I just wanted to make this thing clear so there won't be a confusion.
Hey, I'm not sure where to put this but I wanted to recommend the adding of the new lore that was provided by the Khorne Daemon Kin. There are plenty of lore and new warbands that would make the wiki cooler. Thanks, and sorry if this is not the place to do this. -Aldaron the Hunter.
RE: Khorne Daemon Kin
Don't sweat it. Was already planning on adding this information myself. I'll be working on it sometime this week.
Co-Op With Faeit 212
I already sent a message to Montonius about working with the Faeit 212 WH40K website. I wholeheartedly support this joint effort! It would give both our respective websites excellent exposure, and would be mutually beneficial. Now we sit back and actually await Montonius' decision. I'll let you know as soon as I hear anything back from him.
RE: Faet 212/WH40K Alliance
I spoke with Monti finally, and he has agreed to the alliance with one caveat - we're not doing anything to increase Nafka's profitability. As he gets advertising dollars for his site, and we do not, Monti is definitely in no mood to do ANYTHING that puts money in other people's pockets off our uncompensated work. So yes, he can link to us, but if Nafka wants something from us designed to increase his cash flow, then no, he'll veto it. As Montonius puts it, 'We must remain a nonprofit site open to all that does not engage in commercial behavior, principally because we receive no compensation and other people are already leeching off hundreds of thousands of dollars per year from our work.'
So long story short -- yes, he had me make the deal, but no, Nafka doesn't get free advertising on our site, and if he wants a link he gets a small one put where the links to the Spanish-language wiki already is on the Recent Wiki Activity page, NOT on the front page. Hope that clears things up!
I see you have change the wargaer section on the sicaruan infiltrators page so it no longer gives descriptions of each item. do you want me to create pages about each item.
Another Problem Child
Just FYI, we had a new user Aleexx7 who decided to mess around with the Infobox:Chapter for the Space Marine pages. The resultant screw up, resulted in all the Space Marine Chapter pages looking all screwed up. As this constitutes vandalism, I was forced to block his account for 1 week. The next time this occurs, he'll be getting a permanent ban. I also locked all the Infoboxes so that only the Administrators can edit them. I may also do this for the Template Boxes as well. Please keep an eye out for this user when he comes back. I WILL NOT tolerate this kind of behavior here on the wiki, as I know Montonius wouldn't either. He's lucky Monti wasn't around, as he most likely would have dropped the Ban Hammer right away. As always, stay vigilant my brother! Ave Imperator!
Neutron Laser and Neutron Laser Projector
Shoudln’t the Neutron Laser page field a link to the Neutron Laser Projector page or is there any sign that the Neutron Laser is not a downscaled version of the Projector equipping the Valdor, Sicarian Venator and Cerberus? Is it indeed an entirely seperate weapon?
RE:Legionary vs. Legionnaire
Hey Shas'O', got your message.
Actually, the term is interchangeable, although Legionary is the most commonly used term. Either way if fine. It's apples vs. oranges...some people like 'Legionary', some like 'Legionnaire'...it's all semantics. Hopefully that answers your question. Ave Imperator!
Algrim Whitefang, WH40K Wiki Senior Associate Administrator (talk) 04:37, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
since the two words are interchangeable, but it looks odd to read both versions in the same text, I wanted to standardise them. If you like the other one better or think it should be used in the articles of the old Legions, just leave a message and I will change it accordingly. May the Emperor watch over you. Vo0DoO40k (talk) 16:02, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
new tau fluff
have you gotten your hands on "Swords of Damocles" yet? If not, I have obtained an audiobook and it gives new Background to the Tau mindset, the Swords of Puretide, his death and the rift between Farsight and the Ethereals. would you mind if I update the pages accordingly or should I give you the information?Neithan02 (talk)
who the man ?
you the man
Thank you for the Welcome
Hi Shas! Good to see you're still with us. Yes, I am back for the forseeable future as Lead Admin, though I will be concentrating on editing and setting wider wiki policy and leaving all the enforcement to you and Algrim for now. Thank you very much for keeping up with the editing page, it will be my primary guide to editing after I complete the Orphean series of articles, which unfortunately were not up to our standards but will be fine once I complete them. Hope all is well, and I'm glad to be back home.
Hey Shas, since you're in charge of the catergory system now, could you make categories for Horus Heresy Primarch Series and The Beast Arises Series, as they are what I'll be moving on to next. Thanks!
Hi Shas. The picture itself was made by a man named Zachary Graves. He is also known as Columbussage. This artist has made countless artworks for the fantasy flight games.
I tried to find the picture on devianart, but some one has deleted it.
Hey Shas, I hate to ask but could you make a blank category page for Space Marine Battles (Novel Series). I'll be doing them after I finish with the Horus Heresy and The Beast Arises series.
Also do you think we need categories for Short Stories and Audio Dramas? Since we already have Novel and Novella categories? It's up to you. (There's already over 60 short stories for just the Heresy series alone!) Thanks again!
Ask about adding a New photo on Warhammer 40k Wiki:Banning Policy
I'm Adept Tlaqh1335. I request permission to you.
I have just uploaded the photo Heresyveinpopping1.png. Take a look at this:
As you see, my photo is much more bigger and clearer than older photo on Banning Policy page, so I suggest the replacement of the old jpg to the new png. Then all jpg files which used for warning/banning will be replaced to png. Would you agree on this? Tlaqh1335 (talk) 13:19, 10, December, 2016 (UTC)
We're going to use all the Xenology material on all the appropriate pages. It is still canon and has not been repudiated outright, only conflicted, which is unfortunaterly quite common with the older material for the Tau and Necrons, especially. In this situation, please place a Canon Conflict section on the page with the differences you noted (hooves, etc.) As an in-universe source, the drawings can just be considered the mistake of the in-universe unreliable narrator, but it is still quite a valuable source for the alien races. I have placed a canon conflict note on the section, which is then further explained by the Canon Conflict note at the bottom. I will leave it to you to indicate the exact differences. Also, we don't ever censor content that is official GW material based on graphicality; if that was the case I would remove almost all Emperor's Children and Slaanesh material. Warhammer 40k is recognised as an adult property and people pretty much know what they're getting into. Montonius (talk) 02:09, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
here a young and inexperience Gue'vesa'la that want to ask his Shas'O advises about doing some changes in the pages of our former Ethereal supreme Aun'Va (may he rest in peace) and supreme Fire caste commander Shadowsun, namely adding to Aun'Va's the sylked conquest section from the farsight supplement and re-doing the history section of Shadowsun.
Hi its Lord Lardi. I think a good category would be Adeptus Astartes or Heretic Astartes. Can i add them or not?
Yes, they've been the official Loremasters for a long time, this just is becoming more aggressive because Warhammer Community needs more content. Lot easier to forge a relationship with Bell of Lost Souls, which now owns the Lexicanum, than a corporation like Wikia, unfortunately. Just have to beat them as we do every day on quality and a better product and let the people choose with their views, we'll never receive official sanction until that is recognised, but even then, being part of wikia will always hurt us, I'm afraid, even if we were recognised by the community as superior. Montonius (talk) 21:00, December 12, 2017 (UTC).
I read that you should be contacted when thinking about a new category. What I´m proposing is a category about Space Marine Companies. A subcategory of Space Marines and/or Space Marine Chapters, it would include the various articles about Space Marine companies (surprise) of which there are quite a few by now. As there is no list, that would be a bit weird considering the different chapters, it could be quite useful. ...GELongstreet (talk) 11:41, June 2, 2018 (UTC)
How to find new fantasy franchises to get into
I am currently doing a study on the challenges fantasy fans face in finding the next fantasy franchise they would like to get into and where to get access to that content.
Given your role as an admin for the Warhammer 40K wiki, I would be keen to interview you to get your thought on this. What would be the best way to do this and would you have some availability to connect on this over the coming weeks?