You see Adeptus Custodes are custom made, not "mass produced" basically meaning they are far superior in every way to a space marine.Simply said Adeptus Custodes are to a space marine what he is to a mere Guardsmen. They are the elite force of the elite forces (I know it does not make any sense but you know what i mean).
Altough Thunder Warriors are more potent warriors then Space Marines are they are not even close to Adeptus Custodes.
Be it that of their flaws like that they are not long lived or that they were first warriors that were genetically engineered and so it was not perfected like it later did. But they are not as good as Adeptus Custodes.
I mean come on just take into account that they are Emperor's personal bodyguards is enough to say.
And yeah that story how that Chaos Lord or whatever he is (i can't remember his name) beating i think 5 off them in combat (not sure but i think i'm right) is a bit exaggeration by my standards atleast.
Thunder Warriors are the very first genetically enchanced warriors. That 100% sure and here is why:
"They were the first gene-enhanced warriors created by the Emperor and served as precursors to the present day Space Marines"
Their role was to unite Terra under the Emperor's rule and in the Imperial chronicals the last of them was killed in the final battle of the Unification Wars.Or so it is written because as i remembre some of them were still alive...But you need to read that for yourself.
And with that the Adeptus Custodes came after Thunder Warriors and even after first Space Marines. Since they are custom made models, who came after techniques of mass producing new Space Marines were available.
I mean you can read all of this on the wiki just search it.
Well here is what is says on the history of Adeptus Custodes, first few lines
"The origins of the Custodian Guard are shrouded in myth and legend. The Custodes were founded by the Emperor of Mankind at an unknown date before theUnification Wars on Terra sometime during the latter years of the Age of Strife, and since then have maintained a constant vigil over his person. During that time they had yet to be given the title of Adeptus Custodes and were instead variously known as the Emperor's Companions, the Immortal Guardians and the Emperor's Bodyguard, and later on, as the Legio Custodes."
And on Thunder Warriors page
"The Thunder Warriors were the genetically-engineered warriors of Terra created by the Emperor of Mankind to unite the homeworld of humanity beneath his rule in the 30th Millennium. They were the first gene-enhanced warriors created by the Emperor and served as the precursors to the present-day Space Marines."
I dont' know if im wrong but somehow i got a felling that the Thunder Warriors were the first.
This dosen't mean im right but also see the these statements are contradicting each other since both state they were first...
But in terms of combat abilites Adeptus Custodes are the best that's for sure.
Yeah that is what bothering me cause on both pages it says they were created before and during Unification Wars so a bit contradicting each other.. But considering the process of making a Custodes, a warrior even greater then the regular Space Marine who are force to be reckoned with, making Custodes unique and custom model is probably harder.
But at that time as it says they were not know as Adeptus Custodes and could mean they were not have gone trough the whole process of making them what they are now. At least that is my personal opininon. So you can accept it or disagree it's completly up to you.
I can't accept something that is clearly not true.
And here is why
Slide over to the page of Lord of Decay and read their campainings, and there in the Battle of Pluto in the Sol System it's clearly stated that the Festernius a Chaos Lord of Nurgle slew a strike force of Adeptus Custodes consisting of a Sergeant and 6 Custodes. And you know what that means dont you?
They are not immortal 'cause of they were he couldn't have killed them.
And second It is not stated anywhere that the Custodes are immortal!!!
Older then someone like Bjorn and so on dosen't mean they are immortal.
Third in the book Outcast Dead, a World Eater marine killed a Custodes by ripping his spine out even tough they exaggerated it by writing he did it bare handed but still it's clear they are mortal it just very very very hard to kill them.
Don't get me wrong i don't want to be rude but you should read up more about this.
Please enlight me from where did you get that fact??
Like some real evidence
Not i told it and it has to be like that, i mean it sounds childish.
It's like i tell Emperor is well and alive, i mean nobody would belive it cause there are no evidence about, not a single one to prove it just like that about immortality
Someone who is immortal can't be killed by any means, weapon, psychic powers or anything else.
And Adeptus Custodes as I stated before from the evidence here on wiki and the books have been killed and that means they are not immortal. They may live long beacuse of their genetics and their making and because they are not on the battlefield but they are not immortal.
And if you think otherwise, please state me wrong with some real facts.
Well i just hope i wasn't sounding rude to you 'cause i did not have the intention to do that. And if i did i'm sorry.
Well you should have said so in the first place.
That is correct, at least to some degree but stil correct.
Well since we are talking about him let's count. Bjorn is alive for at least 10 thousend years, due to him being a Dreadnought but still he is alive and is still a true beast in combat. Now we take Constantin Valdor who has fought beside the Emperor even before events of Horus Heresy, meaning alive at least from time the Unification Wars ended maybe even before. So he is more the 10 thousend years old. Since i can't remember reading that he was killed anywhere i think i agree with you, conserning life span they are immortal or at least Valdor is.
Man that guy has seen some good stuff but also some horrors we can't imagine...
Sanguinior wrote: Well i dont know if he is Captain General but as you say i doubt it, well if he is still alive i still don't think he would choose to hold that position for that long.
Since you mentioned books Zixes can you please recommend where to start with the new titles that have come out while i was away from here and Warhammer 40k?
Beyreuth was the Chief Custodian and Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes during the mid-32nd Millennium, a relative peaceful and prosperous time within the Imperium's tumultuous oft-turbulent history
How exactly is he's earlier than Valdor? Valdor has served during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy. Valdor was at the Emperor's side when the Master of Mankind was still walking among his servants. Beyreuth served the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor's interment to the Golden Throne. You miss very obvious facts. If you think that Valdor is still alive, then please, show me any kind of source that shows that he is.
Hi Sanguiniour, if you mean then Beast Arises series, then I suggest that you start at their first book called I am Slaughter. I can send you the book (or a couple of them) through email if you want to.
alongside Russ and the Space Wolves during the Fall of Prospero. He and his forces were responsible for killing at least three of the greatestpsykers of the Thousand Sons Legion and routing a force much more numerous than their own. He was also responsible for saving Bjorn the Fell-Handed when his arm was corrupted by the sorcerous powers of a Thousand Sons psyker. Valdor sliced Bjorn's arm off to prevent the corruption from overrunning his body. After Horus' betrayal became known to the Imperium, Valdor was present during the meetings of the Officio Assassinorum's Clade Sires and Siresses. It was Valdor who suggested that an Assassin from each Clade operate as a team to assassinate Horus, rather than act alone as was the standard mode of operation. It is currently known that after the Horus Heresy Valdor would become a High Lord of Terra, but would eventually step down voluntarily to protect his beloved Emperor.
Beyreuth - Beyreuth was the Chief Custodian and Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes during the mid-32nd Millennium, a relative peaceful and prosperous time within the Imperium's tumultuous oft-turbulent history. But in 544.M32, this temporary peace was shattered by the massive OrkWAAAGH! led by the Warlord known only as The Beast. Not since the Ullanor Crusadehad the galaxy seen such a massive WAAAGH!, which eclipsed even the size of the ancient Ork Empire of Ork Overlord Urrlak Urruk. The Captain-General was present when the inner sanctum of the Imperial Palace was invaded by the Harlequin Troupe of the Joyful Tears. Beyreuth successfully led the defence of the Throneroom against the would-be interlopers, though at the cost of more than a dozen Adeptus Custodes. Only the Shadowseer Lhaerial Rey and the Death Jester Bho managed to reach the outer chamber which led to the Golden Throne, intent on meeting with the Emperor. The Death Jester was killed and the Shadowseer was pined to the ground. Lhaerial insisted that the Eldar had "come in peace," to deliver a message from FarseerEldrad Ulthran, but the Captain-General refused to acknowledge her pleas. As he was about to order the death of the upstart xenos, the Captain-General was only halted by the timely intervention of Inquisitor LordVeritus. The Beast and his WAAAGH! proceeded to rampage across the Imperium and into the very heart of humanity, threatened the Throneworld of Terra itself. The forces of the Imperium were only able to half this advance at great cost and desperate measure, but in the process, severely depleted the forces of the elite Adeptus Astartes.
The origins of the Custodian Guard are shrouded in myth and legend. The Custodes were founded by the Emperor of Mankind at an unknown date before the Unification Wars onTerra sometime during the latter years of the Age of Strife, and since then have maintained a constant vigil over his person
Thunder warriors were used as a quick way to take over terra, think of it as a 1.0 ..... the emperor works out how to create more stable variants think of custodes as 2.0... custodians have better armour and weapons on top of their skill and are very very strong also. The emperor does not just choose custodes as his personal bodyguard just because they are sound of mind... they have to be the best of the best .... primarchs he needed to lead his armies and progress the great crusade.
If you have two warriors of equal strength, but one trains all the time snd is a master of most things, has better equipment and armour, can live longer therefore train and gain experience more.... then the other is just a mentally unstable warrior ..... who would win....
Custodes are Emperor's guardians and bodyguards, that makes them one of the most powerful warriors in the Imperium. But to better perform their duty and in case of posible rebelion and/or influence on ane of then, Custodes dont fight as united force. In Aaron's Dembski Horus Heresy series book The First Heretic it's a scene where the Word Bearers astartes watch the fight of few Custodes. Wery quickly they see, that Custodes fight as individuals, not as a whole.
Thunder Warrior might not be as powerful as the Custodes, becouse they were not only mass produced but also issued with mass produced weapons and armours, jet they have the advantages of united combat doctrines and united fighting style, that makes them stronger than the invidual soldier in combat
This is easy to debunk.Custodes for sure are stronger, then Thunder Warriors.They crushed the rebellion of the thunder warrior in a one sided fight. That, and the fact we know the Thunder Warriors can face 7 astartes at once. As for the Custodes, they've faced greater demons and know characters such as Garro in combat and have won. To put it simple Astartes < Thunder Warriors < Custodes
endryd haar ...and he is astartes
singlehandedly broke a TW#s spine...
and sure the custodes faced bloodmad berserkers, yet they also lost in single combat against others, for example take argel tals weapons, where did he get them from again ^^
TW were used for melee combat prowess...
a bolt to the head kills them as safely as custodes etc..