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  • So far as we know there are currently 5 chaos gods - Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch & Malice with Slaanesh the last one formed - largely form Eldar. Chaos is called the 8 fold path indicating that there are 8 chaos gods, but then where are they? My thought is that the remaining 3 are still forming in the warp & considering humanity's domination of the galaxy the next one to emerge should be based largely on humanity. If so what will it's base nature be?

    All the chaos gods at base are formed of certain characteristics:

    Khorne = Bloodlust, War & Rage

    Slaanesh = Depravity & Sensation

    Nurgle = Physical Corruption, Disease & Death

    Tzeentch = Change, Deceit & Treachery

    Malice = Hunger, Hate & Self Destruction

    What will be the chaos god of Humanity's Characteristics?

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    • Umm... No... There are only 5 gods of Chaos(4 if you don't count malice). There may be the 6th, he is mentioned in some legends, don't know if he will ever come to live.

      The 8 fold path is so called because of the eight pointed star of chaos, that's all...

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    • No you have it backwards - the 8 pointed star is the symbol OF the 8 fold path. All of chaos worship revolves around the number 8 & it has some great meaning the most likely being that it represents the 8 gods of chaos & the 8 aspects they represent.

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    • Ok... if you want it so badly, I will give it to you...

      4 fold Pathes are part of Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne and Slaanesh. 1 fold path is for Malice, and 3 others are for Minor Chaos Gods: Ans'l, Mor'rcck and Phraz-Etar.

      Now we have all the 8 Chaos Gods! Representing the 8 fold path! Just like you wanted!

      There is nothing else besides that... expect for your imagination of course...

      Your question has been answered...

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    • There is no such thing as a "minor" god - the three you mentioned are not canon as gods they are most likely demon princes that - like may others - masqueraded as gods. Another chaos god is due to emerge we just don't know when & what it's aspect will be.

      My personal theory is that the aspect will be fear & that the god will be at least partly formed with the soul of Konrad Curze. Can you imagine the Night Haunter as a chaos God of fear? The idea gives me goose bumps.

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    • Interesting idea of Curze as a god of terror. Here is a soundtrack for those goose bumps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUzQ3mHp8bs.

      Now. There are minor gods, that is more or less canon. It is said that CSM who adorn their armor with spikes may be doing so in honor of a specific god for each spike. Doesn't have to be the case but it is a practice. Also when Horus went chaos it is said that he turned to the reverencing of a many gods. In the warp there are plenty of entities not aligned to the big 4.

      Lorgar is basically a minor god now. Magnus and Ahriman are trying to get there. Mortarion could be considered a minor god as well. Being the grim reaper essentially. It is my speculation that there are likely a couple hundred minor gods. Malice is never to be put in the same category as the Ruinous Powers sir. He is a minor god. An example that there are minor gods in fact. He is not even close to their caliber.

      I do want to mention that some of the descriptions you provided for the 4 ruinous powers are not entirely correct in my eyes. It is hard to capture their aspects in a couple of words I will concur. To add to what you have: Slaanesh- desire, perfection, excess. Khorne- hate(not malice) and honor. Nurgle- life as well as death.

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    • Since my mind is already there from other threads I just read, wouldn't the...creation or unveiling of a "human" Chaos God be an EoT event, the same as for the Eldar?  

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    • I seem to remember a roguetrader (back in the time of the Rogue Trader rulebook) named Myron Jubalgunn.  I do believe he was prosecuting the concept of the starchild wherein the Emperor would be the new Chaos God, the human ascendant one.

      I still don't see where this is specious or to be ignored;  it really makes the most absolute sense, since he was already just a collection nexus of psychic powers and history made flesh around 50,000 years prior.  All you have to do is kill the Emperor to find out.

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    • The emergence of a chaos god of humanity wouldn't necessarily be as destructive as Slaanesh's arrival was to the Eldar. For one thing humanity is not as uniformly corrupt as the Eldar were at that time. Even so there would be some destructive event but it's likely said emergence would either coincide or follow the final ascension of the Emperor to godhood who would protect humanity from the worst effects. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find the emergence of a new chaos god to coincide with the purported upcoming end times event for 40k.

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    • Perhaps the answer lies in the emotional base of the Emperor-Chaos god.  They all havea linchpin emotion.  Nurgle's despair, Khorne's anger.  Maybe the Emperor is spawned from hope.  Or faith.  And since he comes from that wellspring, his apotheosis will have ripples along that vein

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    • what is a chaos god, if nmot an amalgamation of selfish behavior, given form in the immaterium.

      slaneesh is joy and sensual input

      nurgle is love for those around you (grandfather nurgle ftw)

      tzeentch is planing to achieve your desire

      khorne is ruthlessly acting towards your opponents/ removing obstacles by force.

      empi is still far far off from attaining any kind of power in that regard

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    • All of you missed something important, for the Chaos God embody all MORTAL desire.

      In this way, the "God-Emperor" is more like "Ynnead", for he embody redemption in death.

      In this way, the "God-Emperor" isn't a Chaos God, because he isn't a symbol of hope, but one of judgment, the final judgment of every soul.

      As the Eldars want to Ynnead to punish their very sin (Slaanesh), Humanity isn't so different.

      At the End, the emperor represent one strong feeling, a mortal desire that lead to a death desire, and it's the vengeance that lead to justice in death. (One reason why even the deamons fear the "deamons" of the legion of the damned.....)


      (I hoped my english was quite....hum.....good^^)

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    • It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

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    • 67.186.10.133 wrote:
      It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

      The Astrnomican eats the 1000 psykers but otherwise you have a point as does the person before you.

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    • The one problem with the theory that the Emperor will be the next chaos god is that he is a representitve of ORDER the opposite of chaos, why else do you think the Chaos Gods call him the Anathema.

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    • 67.186.10.133 wrote:
      It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

      the astronomicon was fueled by psykers before emps was interred in the golden throne as per the outcast dead .. thus useless

      the big 4 all empbody emotions, emps does not in any way do that

      and honestly ever yhuman act empowers chaos, khorne cares nto from whence the blood flows for example.

      Emps would have nowhere near as much power as any of the big 4

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    • Actually quantifying the Emperor's power is tricky as he gets much of his power differently than the Chaos Gods. The basis of the Emperor's power comes from the accumulated soul force of the vast bulk of the human race, untold trillions upon trillions of human souls. The Chaos Gods on the other hand get the bul of their power from a narrow bandwidth of emotion + whatever souls they can steal\seduce into their grasp.

      The Chaos Gods are like parasites devouring & destroying their host while the Emperor is more like a symbiote offering protection & security in return for the souls of humanity. also it's likely that the Emperor's disciplined nature means he is able to wield his power more effectively as the Chaos Gods very natures drive them in ways that are often counter productive. On the other hand if the Human race was wiped out the Emperor would lose most of his power but while the Chaos Gods would also be weakened it would be by much less (they would not be destroyed, the Cabal had that wrong - or more likely were lying as the destruction of humanity was key to their own racial plans).

      In the end measuring the Emperor's power against the Chaos Gods is next to impossible as there are too many differences as well as too many unknowns for there to be any reliable comparisons.

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    • actually yer not really correct in your first paragraph.

      Empi pulls power from the shaman souls, he is in no way directly empowered by faith of anybody (or you would really have to give me proof for that).

      The chaos gods are empowered by every emotion of every sentient being, only things like the nids and the necrons do not empower them.

      Empi could only work against them because he started cutting off their direct impact on the materium by going all atheist and killing off all xenos

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    • Maybe the Emperor could become a warp god of order. It wasn't always a chaotc hellscape.

      Keep in mind I'm still largely unfamiliar the total lore of this universe.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Maybe the Emperor could become a warp god of order. It wasn't always a chaotc hellscape.

      Keep in mind I'm still largely unfamiliar the total lore of this universe.

      would not work as chaos itself does still entail other aspects, Khorne f.e. is a god of honour, nurgle is a god of creation

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    • That is true.

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    • Just means that chaos will be nicer if everything is mostly good, they will become mostly good in the sense that they will be closer to chaotic neutral than chaotic evil. they would probably be quite extreme still but not evil.

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    • not really, it only means that chaos is neutral. it only tends to put the individual before the group.

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    • Exactly what I said, Chaotic Neutralish

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    • It does seem like the Emperor is likely to become an official warp god of some kind. It feels like the most likely alternative is that when the Golden Throne finally fails, the Emperor and his true influence, namely the astronomican, will be lost, which could pose a major problem for the decaying Imperium.

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    • not really, chaos got power regardless of things being mostly nice or not. heck, eldar were at their height and murderfucked slanesh into existence


      The astronomicon hs 0 to do with empi, it was there before his internment in the golden throne

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    • My mistake. I thought the Emperor's psychic energy powered as-con, and he needed to be "alive" to maintain it.

      For clarity, what actual purposes does the Emperor serve beyond an object of worship/rotting symbol?

      Going off of my limited understanding, if the Emperor completely dies, the Golden Throne fails completely, and nothing changes, the truth would be smothered, and its spreaders would be silenced/discredited. How accurate is this?

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      My mistake. I thought the Emperor's psychic energy powered as-con, and he needed to be "alive" to maintain it.

      For clarity, what actual purposes does the Emperor serve beyond an object of worship/rotting symbol?

      Going off of my limited understanding, if the Emperor completely dies, the Golden Throne fails completely, and nothing changes, the truth would be smothered, and its spreaders would be silenced/discredited. How accurate is this?

      Not very accurate as  the emp prevents the creation of an Eye of Terra and guides the astronomican from being a giant ball of psyker energy and instead a lighthouse of sorts.

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    • I'll take your word for it, but would his psychic ball, which sounds like a power source that could be hard to replace, persist after, in a hypothetical scenario, his body finishes dying completely, and Throne fails entirely?

      Also, if this happened, and all the roles served by goldy's psychic residue are filled with replacemen's, would groups like the inquisition bury that fact that he's gone, assuming there are no large scale events that can't be hidden?

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      I'll take your word for it, but would his psychic ball, which sounds like a power source that could be hard to replace, persist after, in a hypothetical scenario, his body finishes dying completely, and Throne fails entirely?

      Also, if this happened, and all the roles served by goldy's psychic residue are filled with replacemen's, would groups like the inquisition bury that fact that he's gone, assuming there are no large scale events that can't be hidden?

      again there would be the Eye of Terror on Terra, but apart from that the Inquisition would bury it and than someone like Gulliman or the alpha legion would say it.

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    • Would say the truth or say the big Idiots' lies?

      I'm more of a tech guy, and looking into just into is taking some time.

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    • I think everyone is missing one really big important fact.  The Emperor is the coalesced sum of a bunch of shamans who didn't want to be devoured by daemons when they died (before they could reincarnate).  His tremendous psychic power effectively made him immortal and superhuman, but he's still basically just a really Really powerful shaman/psyker.  If he dies, what's stopping him from reincarnating? 

      Granted, he would have to avoid being devoured by one of the chaos gods aaand...the whole human gate into the webway under his throne would unleash a horde of daemons on Terra, but I don't think the event would be sufficiently cataclysmic to generate a new Eye of Terror.  Part of what created the Eye was, as SanguiniousLives pointed out, the Eldar were pretty uniformly corrupt by their decadent pursuits, but I would also point out that they, both as individuals and as a species, had a much more intense impact on the Warp realm than humans do.  Comparing Emperor's true death to the events that created Slannesh is like comparing a tsunami from an earthquake to a supernova.  Yeah, there's devastation, but the scale is wildly different. 

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    • one could argue that humanity still has a higher impact than the eldar as the eldar empire wassmaller than what is now the eye of terror, aka less planets, less individuals (which were more potent psykers, but given humanities numbers , that seems to be mroe than countered)

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    • cool insults and honestly: many more options arise

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    • My own 2 cents:

      The Emperor is a Chaos God of ORDER

      Bear with me a moment please:

      The Immaterium, Chaos, contains witin all possibilities - including the possibility of structure.

      In Real Life, time and time again it is proven that structures, an order, can spontenously arise in chaotic circumstances.Often, these structures try to grow and further organise the chaos around it.

      The crystallisation of minerals out of over-saturated solutions, or ice forming out of water, comes to mind.

      The Emperor that started as the collective reincarnation of Earth's early shamans is then the seed of a growing organised structure in the soup of Chaos. In a sense, He is Malice Plus: Malice is Chaos turning on Chaos, the Emperor is Order out of Chaos turning on Chaos.

      The Emperor is Anathema to the Chaos gods, but at the same time does them a BIG favor: a common enemy, and nothing is as Chaotic as destroying Order.

      Khorne would have less mass-carnage without organised armies, and less new weaponry without organised weapon research.

      Nurgle would have less masses of people to infect without civilasation making those masses possible, and vaccines keep him sharp.

      Without modern technologies, some advanced forms of Desire & Addiction are impossible, and nothing is as tempting as The Forbidden. Slaanesh also (ab)uses the Strife for Perfection, something helped by cultures setting standards.

      In the massive organisation that is the Imperium many folks are at the bottom of the heap, they often have to Hope someting will Change for the better: food for Tseentch. And The Great Schemer likes nothing so much as abusing loopholes, so he profits too from any attempt to create Law & Order.

      So the Big Four is actually the Big Five, as the Emperor is actuually an additional player in the Grand Game between the Chaos gods. 

      Big problem is the Emperor is in arrested development: the Golden Throne prevents Him from dieing, prevents Him from becoming reborn as the Starchild. But without the functions He fullfills from the Golden Throne - guiding the Astronomicon, Soulbinding weak psykers, etc.- the Imperium is doomed and the largest source of Order falls.



      Excuses for my English and any typos.

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    • order is alreay a facet of tzeentch, for withut order no plans ;)



      and as chaos and the formation of any chaos god is not a process directed by events in the materium (meaning no direct influence/control over it), you can basiccally shove emps as chaos god theory out of the window. He is not a warp entity but most certainly a human and as such he may be appowerful psyker but is rther powerless in the immaterium. hich is also  exactly why he never really fought there but only on battlefields of his choosing..

      and thr starchild theory, nice but rather dubious and old lore (inquisition war series) ... I honestly doubt that it can hold true given newer information

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    • Reviving an old thread to talk about stuff I don't know nearly enough about just to humour my arrogance in my thoughts =P.

      My problem with Empi being/becoming the Chaos God of Order, is 1. that I feel "Chaos God of Order" is odd, but more importantly that 2. The Chaos Gods, as far as I understand them, are largely created and powered through emotions. But Order is not really an emotion so much as a lack of chaos. Like, when you feel "orderly" you don't feel orderly, you just feel, maybe focused or comfortable or something like that. However, there's one thing I feel that the Imperium has in spades: Zeal, and a desire to cleanse the Xenos and Heretics. So my thought is either Purity (though purity runs into the same problem as Order in that it doesn't really seem like an emotion) and Zeal (which I would argue, can be considered close enough to an emotion to be relevant =P)

      I have no evidence to back that up in the canon, but yea.

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    • This is the most massive mealstrum of trying to intermingle virtue and vices. In practice, human intellect alone cannot overcome human emotions. If that is not the point of the whole thing, I don't know what is. There is no example in human history where religion or zealous mindset is not attributed to something, even the Bloody Revolution showed that atheism falls into the same trap, if not quicker than flawed religion.

      It takes more than self to overcome self; discipline holds it in check, but that's a gate holding back a flood. It does not abate the flood. I see Warhammer as a very humanist story as I think intended, mankind trying to save itself, but just as we see present day, we are too busy trying to destroy ourselves one way or another to come close.

      Look at it symbolically: The Emperor of Mankind is our innate intellect and rationale, yet look at the most educated. They are the most disconnected and often the ones first abusing vices. Intellect alone can't overcome human impulse born with it, it takes an outer influence, a pure opposite to counter it. It's not the Emperor as he isn't immortal like the Chaos Gods, so the world is rather nehelistic. A slow spiral toward an ultimate fate where there is no true hope, no real salvation.

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    • I am by no means well read in 40k, but isn't there already a God-Emperor? As in a warp entity, not Big E himself. The Emperor, as all-powerfull as he is, seems to have his hands full with the Astronomicon and being mostly dead, its been thousands of years since 99% of normal people have seen their Emperor, so obviously your average imperial citizen isn't worshiping a giant corpse. 

      They'd all mostly be worshiping the idea of the God-Emperor, no? If trillons of people are beliving in, and actively worshiping a GOD-Emperor, then one ought to have formed in the warp similar to the way the other chaos gods did, except I'm thinking his power comes from faith and religion. Obviously the God-Emperor would be a relatively minor chaos god, but still powerfull enough to make all the silly pieces of paper and seals and other holy doodads work along with making Saints every once in a while. It'd be some beatiful irony.

      I'm not even saying he'd be a "good guy" either, since agents of the Imperium do comicbook villain level evil crap all the time "in service to the Emperor."

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    • Alright, I'm going to list my analyses of the relationships between our Emperor and the ruinous powers.

      The Ruinous powers and the Immortal Emperor's conciousness both currently reside within the Immaterium.

      The Immaterium only exists in it's current state due to the presence of sentience within realspace, and is directly influenced by it. The reality of the Immaterium conforms to the collective influence of every sentient being within the known galaxy, at least. Notable factors include individual psycic presence and the magnitude of a species' population. Time and distance are still entirely applicable within the Immaterium, albiet to a much smaller scale. 

      (Considering the vast distances between galaxies, I'd assume that the Warp we know and love is an isolated element feeding off of our galaxy specifically. Since nearly every entity encountered seems to bear a direct personal relationship with the denizens of this galaxy. And races such as the extra-galactic Tyranids seem foreign.)

      The Immortal Emperor is worshipped by the overwhelming bulk of the Human race, which is well established as the most populous race fully residing within the galaxy. Fervent worship on such a large scale has pushed the Emperor's Immaterial form onto a state of power at least comparable to that of each Chaos God.

      For most humans having a prayer answered by the Emperor is their greatest desire, meaning that every miracle performed by the Emperor feeds into Slannesh's base principle.

      The popular belief that mutants, psykers, and xenos deviate from the God-Emperor's perfect form and must be purged sparks conflict; and, notably, the Black Templar's never-ending crusade. Such conflicts thus feed into Khorne's base principle.

      Most often humans pray to the God-Emperor for social improvement, I.E. a beneficial change to their position in life. This feeds into Tzeench's base principle.

      The unrelenting poverty propagated by both the state and church devoted to the service and worship of the Emperor gives rise for the unhidered spread of deadly pathogens. With most being unable to afford inocculation, and poverty being a type of philosophical plague on communities. This feeds into Papa Nurgle's base principle.

      A new diety could be formed in the Emperor's persona, being formed by the collective desire of humanity for protection from the ruinous powers. His base principle being a sense of safety, possibly accompanied by a sense of human nationalism and purity.

      But as is, the Emperor does not seem to adhere to the same underlying rules as the chaos gods.

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    • any chaos entity would generally go for extremes of whatever principle it is founded upon

      simplest example is slanesh,.... first you start out with normal food, then go for more spices for more taste and then you chugg down 900000 scoville hot sauce as appetizer for a meal made of razorblades and boiling oil.

      no race in the materium can control anything in the immaterium.

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    • Neithan02 wrote:
      any chaos entity would generally go for extremes of whatever principle it is founded upon

      simplest example is slanesh,.... first you start out with normal food, then go for more spices for more taste and then you chugg down 900000 scoville hot sauce as appetizer for a meal made of razorblades and boiling oil.

      no race in the materium can control anything in the immaterium.

      This statement goes against the very nature of the Immaterium, the nature of Psykers, and by extension the Emperor of Mankind himself.

      The Immaterium may have existed long before the creation of or own universe, but none of the Chaos entities emerged before the development of sentience within our galaxy. Sentient thought and emotion manipulate the purely psychic realm in it's known entirety. The Chaos Gods and their Daemons nothing more complex than twisted and perverse versions of our darkest desires, taken to an unholy extreme.

      So to, is the Immaterium affected by our most prominent hopes. Both humanity and the Emperor stand tribute to all this. The sheer multitudes of humans praying to the Emperor and beleiving full-heartedly in his divinity has empowered the Emperor, propelling him to a state where he is one of the few forces actively able to prevent the Ruinous powers from invading the entire galaxy.

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    • Murphy the Murphy wrote:
      Neithan02 wrote:
      any chaos entity would generally go for extremes of whatever principle it is founded upon

      simplest example is slanesh,.... first you start out with normal food, then go for more spices for more taste and then you chugg down 900000 scoville hot sauce as appetizer for a meal made of razorblades and boiling oil.

      no race in the materium can control anything in the immaterium.

      This statement goes against the very nature of the Immaterium, the nature of Psykers, and by extension the Emperor of Mankind himself.

      The Immaterium may have existed long before the creation of or own universe, but none of the Chaos entities emerged before the development of sentience within our galaxy. Sentient thought and emotion manipulate the purely psychic realm in it's known entirety. The Chaos Gods and their Daemons nothing more complex than twisted and perverse versions of our darkest desires, taken to an unholy extreme.

      So to, is the Immaterium affected by our most prominent hopes. Both humanity and the Emperor stand tribute to all this. The sheer multitudes of humans praying to the Emperor and beleiving full-heartedly in his divinity has empowered the Emperor, propelling him to a state where he is one of the few forces actively able to prevent the Ruinous powers from invading the entire galaxy.

      But isn't humanity's collective idea of "The God-Emperor" so diametrically opposed to what Big E wanted that all the emperor bothering would go on to create its own entity, possibly mixed in with a bit of the actual Emperor's shattered mind?

      It fits if we assume it'd behave like the other chaos gods, any God-Emperor would do everything in its power to get more and more worship from more and more of humanity, the more zealous the better

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    • emps is not a warp entity, he sits on the golden throne, lends his power to the astronomicon and keeps the door to the webway in the palace closed

      but does 0 against any other warp incursion or rift all over the galaxy. remember, it was the cadian pylons of the necrons that controlled the eye, not emps.

      and the eldar also do not control slanesh.

      if there ever was a warp entity "emperor" it would be beyond the control of him on earth or humanity and it would go to the extremes of whatever "idea" it represents.



      also all the actions of humanity more often than not empower chaos gods..

      pray for a good harvest.. hail nurgle

      pray for prowess in battle .. hail khorne

      pray for success of your plans or work... hail tzeentch

      thanks for another day .. yay slanesh 

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    • pray for a good harvest.. hail nurgle

      pray for prowess in battle .. hail khorne

      pray for success of your plans or work... hail tzeentch

      thanks for another day .. yay slanesh 

      First off, this is pure gold.

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    • it is generally how the warp works, the principles at play get empowered by actions that fall under their purview

      nurgle is a god of life, so praying for good growth is his domain



      that is part of the allure of chaos and pantheons, that they have quite benificent guises wisdom,beauty,life,honour etc

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    • Second, the astronomican is one of the most essential tools in the infrastructure of the Imperium. It allows for semi-consistent warp travel, and is fueled exclusively by psychic energy. This is only naturally the Emperor's highest priority. 

      Third, many of the breaches in recorded Imperial history have been comparatively small, and ultimately not worth the Emperor's effort as long as Imperial forces can mop it up. It's long been speculated that every major psychic strain the Emperor puts upon himself ultimately shortens the lifespan of his current condition. He could have been trying to prevent the outbreak of the Great Rift for millennia. 

      But ultimately there are no recordings of the so-called "War Within the Warp," Though it is known that the Emperor has been keeping the webway gate closed for the last 10'000 years, and been preventing a new (speculative) Eye of Terror from emerging around Terra. Both of which serve as the reason for why the Emperor will not be interred withing a Dreadnought.

      The Webway itself originated from the Immaterium, and is technically a part of it's reality. Despite the Old Ones having partitioned it off from the Immaterium long before the rise of Humanity. Most of it was Daemon-sealed with special construction materials which humanity did not possess. The Human portion of the Webway would have had to be completely sealed by the Emperor personally, which he had been working on in 30k. But with an innumerable horde of Daemons pushing up against the entrance that is now hypothetically impossible.

      And as for a sovereign Warp-Emperor, if the Imperium either unquestioningly believed it was borne from a piece of the Emperor's psyche, or confirmed it, they would most likely rejoice at this fact.



      Hold on, gonna tie in the other reply.

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    • CryHAVOC884 wrote:

      But isn't humanity's collective idea of "The God-Emperor" so diametrically opposed to what Big E wanted that all the emperor bothering would go on to create its own entity, possibly mixed in with a bit of the actual Emperor's shattered mind?

      It fits if we assume it'd behave like the other chaos gods, any God-Emperor would do everything in its power to get more and more worship from more and more of humanity, the more zealous the better

      This is honestly the most likely situation in the event that, say, the 'Star Child.' Went off to form it's own entity. Any entity formed from a smidgeon of the Emperor would likely hold good will towards humanity, and devoutly answer their prayers.

      As a matter of fact. During, I believe, Mortarion's recent assault on Macragge. An Emperor-like entity possessed a small child and single-handedly turned the tide of the battle. It gave a space marine a short lecture of faith of all things before departing from it's vessel. Roboute Guilliman asked to meet the child, obviously perturbed. The child did not have satisfactory answers for him but was strangely happy, and at peace. Her little body could not have withstood the effects of such a powerful possession and soon perished.

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    • And lastly, even though the Chaos Gods are possessed of free will, they are still entirely subject to the reality of the warp. In addition they rely upon humanity as their primary source of nourishment. Being more closely related to philosophies and ideals than to a living entity, they are only feuled by sentient thought.

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    • the astronomicon might get highest priority, but it has failed before and it's power is not untested by warp phenomena

      warp rifts and daemon incursions are not that rare, even though generally tried to fight them, but their aftereffects can be felt for centuries

      (f.e. agri worlds not delivering means hive worlds die, means production fails, recruitment fails etc...



      then great rift: look up cadian pylons

      otherwise: I'd like to see sources for your claims, same for tis lifespan thing etc...



      and as per, I think, war in heaven, it is canon that emps has to rest on the golden throne to keep the astronomicon going// since magnus' folly cannot stray from terra.

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