as much as i love ol' ghazghkull i'd say he isn't even close to the biggest/strongest ork ever. he's undoubtedly amongst the biggest/strongest and is also badass and kickass, but his defining attribute is his un-orky strategic intelligence.
i often wonder how old orks can live, and how big they can get: thraka doesn't seem to have changed at all in the 50 years between the 2nd and 3rd armageddon wars. is that an oversight in the lore department? is he maybe supposed to be a few feet taller, since he's been fighting a lot in those 50 years? i think he stands at around 12 - 13 feet (4-ish metres), but if he hasn't grown any (officially) in 50 years then i think it's safe to say that he probably is the biggest/strongest, and kunnin'est, ork ever.
What about The Beast? Although lore is weak on him he seems to have been a major threat.
Although yeas I'd give it to that E choking Ork. Orks were an even bigger threat back in crusade era. Seems like a lot of primarchs went toe to toe with these warbosses and won narrowly. Respect the Orks.
that's a good point, the ullanor crusade marked a change in the level of the ork threat with huge swathes of ork empires being swept aside. this leads to a theory: orks have a gestalt, subconcious psychic link which leads to a bunch of fun, orky shenanigans - guns work 'cause they believe they work, vehicles painted red are faster 'cause they believe 'red ones go faster', enough orks in a warzone attracts other orks from systems away, etc.
so my theory is this - what if the size orks grow to is comparitive to the actual physical volume of orks in the galaxy (sort of a bleedback effect from their gestalt psychery)? so back in the day when orks held a ton more territory, which would let them be more numerous, they may have been bigger than orks are nowadays. because i could see ghazghkull going toe-to-toe with a primarch but i struggle to see him having a chance against emps, and whoever the 'emps throttling' ork was he had to have been a fair bit bigger than thraka.
I agree Callummacdon lore seems to suggest that. It all presents an interesting quality to the species that the Imperium has not exploited to their advantage. Assuming that they even recognize it, but the Eldar probably did and in turn the Imperium.
If the Imperium can work with the Orks, like with the Blood Axes, more and instill in them thoughts of personal gain and self survival instead of their strong communal instincts the Orks can destroy themselves with further division, selfishness and greed. Their psychic qualities will help spread this quickly, not to mention their explosive tempers. Military covert operations to instill fear and distrust must also be used (Raven Guard). Demoralization by pining them against formidable foes like the Necrons. Maybe even opening some Chaos portals in Ork homeworlds (the Inquisition does look away sometimes) to either slaughter them or cause a religious schism (hopefully). Booster the Bad Moons vanity into a full blown superiority complex and maybe start a cultural war with them and the Snakebites. Then attack heavily, life 40 chapters and 300 regiments heavy. Soon the Orks would start to see themselves as an inferior force in the galaxy then their psychic exacerbation qualities would start making it a reality.
Unfortunately, for the Imperium, this psychic quality has only been an advantage to the orks, but I'm saying it can be HUGE disadvantage.
It would be the end of the Orks, but nobody has time for that.
that's a very interesting idea, but changing the ork persona would be more difficult than changing the astartes persona: astartes are trained, drilled, indoctrinated, etc etc, into their mind-set, and breaking that mind-set is a monumentally hard task (only really achievable by another astartes, or chaos gods) but, it can be done. orks, however are genetically coded to have their mind-set, and even if they ended up getting spanked across the galaxy they're mind-set wouldn't change, they'd just construe events to show just how mighty orks still are - for example this codex quote:
"orkses never lose a battle. if we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. if we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!" - commonly held ork view of warfare.
you could be on to something though. if someone somehow managed to find a way to demoralize a large enough percentage of the ork race, their gestalt psychic link could lead to a 'demoralizing psychic-infection' spreading across their species. and in the vein of 'ever decreasing circles' the ork race could eventually believe themselves not worthy of gork and mork, whereupon their reproduction could slow. given enough time this process could lead to the extinction of the orks.
but it's tricky to demoralize a creature who's entire existance is all about a "good scrap". they love fighting astartes. they really love fighting chaos astartes, they really really love fighting chaos daemons. demoralization through violence wont work: that just makes orks bigger, stronger, and more self assured than ever.
what might work though would be force fields (they would have to be new tech though so that's the imperium out of this one). force fields large enough to encompass a planet (i know that even in 40k that's stretching the bounds of plausible), or failing that simply large enough to cover cities, hives, ships etc. force fields exist in plenty in 40k but none are up to the job of demoralizing orks, because if fields are hammered on enough they can be broken. but if a field could be created that was impervious to ork weaponry (which in itself is almost assuredly improbable), as well as being inimical to the ork genome, then implementation of such fields would render every ork attempt at a scrap pointless - obviously such fields would have to be distributed across the galaxy and across the races of 40k to truely attempt ork demoralization, but if 'good scraps', or any scraps at all, were taken away from orks then they would start to see their existence as pointless....if it wasn't for the fact that all an ork needs for a good scrap is another ork within range :P
it is a really interesting theory but i think orks are here to stay :)
Yeah Orks are here to stay. But wwe do see eye to eye. It "could" be done.
Force fields m**********!
There is a south park episode in season 6 called bebe's boobs destroy society where the boys have this huge fight. Am watching it right now, dying of laughter. Basically what would happened if the orks were kept in the Callummac WC-9 Force Field!
I think that there is one problem with the forcefield idea- Orks are insane, not stupid. Remember that bolstered by the WAAAGH! or not, meks build semi-reliable teleporters and Gargants that go toe to toe with Titans out of battlefield scrap. Give a few decent meks the chance to tinker for a while and they'll figure out some way to use the force field to their own advantage- say, leeching its power to run the mother of all shock attack guns teleporting chunks of terrain and squig herds into the important-looking bits of the field generator, or just generating enough finely tuned feedback to turn the whole thing into a bubblechukka. Not to mention you'll have given them a great idea for how to make the next raid a lot more interesting, with fewer escapes.
they are all good points, hence why i mentioned that such a field would have to, at the very least, be 100 percent impervious to ork weaponry (not that that's ever likely to happen). do teleporters work through force-fields? i thought they didn't (didn't horus have to drop the fields on his ship to allow emps on board), but if they do then yeah, orks would have a whale of a time inside a field that their enemy can't escape from :P
If Ghazgskull isnt the biggest ork yet he will most likely become the biggest after His campaign of Unification in the Octavian empire. He is probably going to have to face and defeat some of the Biggest orks and his size will swell with his ego.
ghazghkull won't die in the octavian system he survived the second war for armageddon did'nt he and escaped a fleet of grey knights all because his gods are watching his back like the chaos gods do with some of their most valuable champions or pawns or the legion of the damned and how they stop people from getting near them by influencing reality so it would be difficult to see the greatest champion of gork and mork die without their consent.
Okay I have the final answer. It's Gharkul Blackfang... He was the size of a imperial knight. Crusade era, back when the Blood Axes ran the Ork empires. He outmaneuvered Horus, Dorn, and Mortarion. Beat Mortarion, then Dorn and Horus too! The Emperor himself had to come and save them. E kill him ultimately. He is THE ORK all these new war bosses only can dream of being.
Gorgutz was powerful but not on par with even ghazgskull (or whatever the hell his name is).
However i do agree with Aldaron the hunter. Any Ork with the strength (and balls) enough to beat Horus, Dorn and Mortarion and even stand for a couple of minutes against big E must be a powerful son of a fungal spore indeed
Emperor's Peace wrote: I would say Ghuzghkull but there are orks in the Octavian or something system where the orks largest kingdom resides where the nobz and even some regular boys are his height... Apparently.
I think one of the most powerful warlords to have ever lived "The Beast" was said to be around the size of a hab-block and he made Nobz appear as mere children in his presence and his mouth was filled with tusks the size of tree trunks.