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  • RC I need the Campaign Infobox template you designed massively simplified. Remove all the automated functions from it, so that it can just be filled out by hand. Everything on this wiki needs to be as simple as possible. If that template is not simplified nobody but you will use it correctly, and I would like to use it from now on, so you can leave the instruction for the template but remove all of the IC, CC, F, S coding and the template's tendency to automatically assign values when things are not filled out. Simple, always simple.

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    • I thought the instructions are pretty clear, and I further simplified them. I thought it is simpler to let the template fill in some repetitive functions. The reasons for the automated functions are 2:

      1. Consistency. All campaign infoboxes look and act the same, and the most important info is also consistently expressed. I was actually thinking of assigning specific default colors depending on the chosen category (say, Chaos Campaigns could always be by default black on red, etc.) Since infoboxes are supposed to give a snapshot of the page for those too short of time or too lazy to read the text, it's important to have consistent signifiers.

      2. Reuse. All templates can use the automated code. The "cat" field can be used in all other infoboxes, by simply changing the category parameters. The "status" field can be used for example in the Infobox Chapter, in place of "allegiance". Example: change the signifiers to L, T, P, R, X (to result in Loyalist/Traitor/Penitent/Renegade/eXtinct). "Status" is also imo better than "Allegiance". Allegiances fluctuate. The "segmentum" field can be used in any infobox that includes a segmentum field.

      However if you don't agree I will remove the auto code.

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    • I undertsand your point, but those instructions are quite simply too complicated. Also we are not ever going to use a color coded system for infoboxes. Always think simple, as simple as possible. Everything on this wiki is extremely simple by design. Trust me, I've done this for a long time, that infobox coding will be constantly screwed up by users, which is why I hate Infoboxes and really would prefer to make as few as possible. Please remove the auto code and make it a simple fill-in Infobox. That way it will be used from now on for all campaigns. The other way, almost no one will use it except you and we will end up using the old one. Thanks.

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    • Finished the new Template:Infobox Campaign without preset values or categorising, and 1 default. Major fields are required.

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    • Thank you very much. We will now use that one for all future campaigns, and we will start converting the old ones.

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  • RC, If you are going to create new categories, I need you to do the work of placing every single page that belongs in those categories into them. If you do not want or have the time to do this, please do not create new categories. I will be allowing the Xenos and Chaos Campaigns categories to stand as I think they are a good addition that we can use, but I will be deleting the general Campaigns category as far too broad unless you are willing to place every single campaign page currently on the wiki into it. It's up to you. Will you undertake the project?

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    • You're wrong. I was around when Baneblade was admin and contributed anonymously a couple of times. I registered just before he quit. I don't remember a vandalism crisis. Some pages were vandalised, but nothing in my knowledge that would require dozens of pages (out of a then few hundred) to be locked.

      Locking a page is absolutely a last resort on wikis since it goes against the idea of wiki in the first place. It is done temporarily for a few HOURS or days at most, and usually in only 2 cases:

      1. Until vandals are banned, or

      2. Until a dispute between well-meaning editors is resolved, in order to stop a revert war.

      Locking a page for weeks, months, or years is effectively banning everybody else. NO page should be locked for over a few days, period. There's other ways of dealing with bad editors that affect only them.

      You are right about one thing though. I've had enough with this, it's not worth the trouble.

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    • That's too bad. Thanks for your contributions.

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  • As always, your attention to detail and dedication to our formatting guidelines is a real asset to the wiki. However, the Months of Shame does not need its own page. That information is rightly centralised on the First War for Armageddon page, where the story has already been added in less detailed form. You may complete the page, but when it is done I will be moving any non-redundant information to the appropriate section of the First War for Armageddon. Also, please do not remove any sectons of the Kysnaros page -- if that is your intention -- as that is quite fine as is. As we discussed once before, please stop making edits over and over and over again to the same pages. Produce a final draft and then move on; there is no need for the constant re-editing. Your work is fine. Please produce a final draft and then move on so that I can do the final edit. I greatly respect your attention to detail and absolute fidelity to getting it right; but too much perfectionism can be an obstacle in itself.

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    • I think the whole thing is in a process of evolution, and may eventually be completely changed, just as they did with the Necrons. They've already given hints of alterations to the Space Marine creation process with organ implanatation through surgical means being partially replaced by "viral machines" ala the Blood Angels Codex. Also, there is a lot of contradiction which they rarely make attempts to retcon, particularly in the older material. It can be frustrating at times.

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    • No doubt. Anyway I finished with the Months of Shame. Also added another infobox, Template:Infobox Campaign2 that includes some of the fields in Wikipedia's infobox "Military campaigns". If you don't think it is useful, I will reinsert the original infobox.

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  • Hello,

    I was just wondering why you added that line about the Primarch data being lost to both sides during the war. I just finished Deliverance Lost, and no where does it say that the Primarch data was lost. Yes, the Alpha Legion acquired it after introducing the warp-virus, yes, they handed over tainted data to Horus and Fabius, but the ending clearly states that Omegon believed they would be able to use the Primarch data, and then it ends. Do you have a source to backup this statement? Or is this mere conjecture on your part?

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    • Well put RC; and Mont sorry - totally did not mean to make such a big deal outta what is obviously a very small detail. Like I said before, I'd just read the book and when I came across the line in the article I was like "Wait! Did I miss that?!" Either way, sorry to be an unintentional pain in the ass.

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    • Not a problem.

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