Yes but it is still not a space marine by any stretch of the imagination. The image landed females didn't get access to the gene-seed, the babies that they grew inside of them did. The gene seed never actually spread through their systems to give them all the extra organs, solidify their rib cage, add muscle mass etc
A fictional universe can only work if it develops a clear system of rules by which it functions. If you just go around breaking those rules all the time because "hey it's fictional" your audience just won't take you seriously, or have a reason to get invested as they have nothing to hold onto. As a general rule the best policy is to lay out a set of cans and can'ts at the beginning and stick to those. It is established within 40k cannon that astrates are male, and male only. This is not a sexist policy, as the Imperium as a whole does not believe in discrimination amongst the human species, indeed they are a society which (technically) has full legal racial and gender equality.
Space Marines are men, and that is all. Now can we please leave this thread to rest in peace?
Umm,nope. Clone's come from very limited sources, and take years to mature into full on soldiers. Plus, super soldiers? Not really. Yes they are porabably the peak of military discipline, conditioning and efficiency, but a Space Marine is so much more than that.
It is also wrong to think of a Space Marine as immobile. Admittedly they're not gonna be doing a back flip, but they would actually have the capacity to dodged light sabre attacks. I would still agree that in a one on one a Jedi would beat an astartes, but it would be close, as power armour would be able to take several lightsaber hits before it gives. Overall though the SMs win however, as in their hay day the Jedi numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Crude estimates for the Space Marines put their numbers at at least a million (that's ignoring factors like the Black Templar and the Space Wolves).
And on a side note the Empire didn't conquer the galaxy per se, they more took it over in a military coup of sorts. This wasn't very hard once the Jedi were out the way, as the Clones represented the only real army left in the galaxy and they were unflinchingly loyal to Palpatine. And the Empire has ONE Death Star. The Imperium of man has many.
Oh yeah, and the Galaxtic Empire actually is xenophobic. Not to the degree that the Imperium is (I mean they had guys like Admiral Thrawn) but there is a strong underlying idea that humans are the superior form of life. I mean, did you never think it was strange that, apart from a minuscule handful of exceptions, the Empire's military and bureaucracy are all humans? I really can't see Sidious allying with the Tau, Eldar or Necrons. And Chaos? Probably not since I don't see the Dark Lord of the sith swearing fealty to the Dark Gods, who ch would be required for such an agreement almost certainly.
Plus even if he wanted to ally say the Eldar, the Eldar would undoubtedly tell him to go stuff himself, because he is a human and therefore beneath them (not to mention he's an ass). The Orks and Tyranids don't really do allies. Now he might (big might) get some Dark Eldar and Necrons to work with him. But there's a reason the Imperium doesn't think of said xeno species as a threat: at the moment they are not one. Granted the Necrons could become one, but they still need a good thousand years to get to that point.
And when has a sith freezes time? Not criticising you I just want to know, since I've never heard about it.
Final point is about Jedi deflecting Astartes weapons. Simple answer is no. Jedi actually fear rapid firing kinetic weapons, since their high rate of fire makes it really difficult to take them all out. Plus bullets don't get deflected, they melt, which can if the calibre was high enough shower said Jedi with molten metal. There are literally kinetic weapons made for the purpose of fighting Jedi. Not what do Space Marine's use. Ah yes, rapid firing kinetic weapons, with a truely MASSIVE caliber. Jedi can deflect blaster bolts because by projectile standards they are pretty dam slow. I mean, you can SEE them! With a bullet all you see is the muzzle flash. Blaster bolts aren't even faster than sound, as there is no sonic boom when they're fired. Also, in Episode III we see multiple Jedi MASTERS taken down by sustained blaster fire from clone troopers. Granted they wee taken by surprise but the fact remains that the clones were able to hunt down and massacre the Jedi without weapons ideally suited to their demise, which the space marines have. A single Jedi can beat a single space marine, but the Astartes act in units of five to ten, Jedi in pairs or trios at most. A sustained bolter spread would take out all bar the most talented Jedi, and for them we have more elite space marines, such as the crack shot sternguard.
I'm not saying Star Wars has no hope, just not in the ways you've described. Their best bet is that the Imperium simply doesn't have the resources to conquer another galaxy, when they are stretched thin in their own. Any offensive actions by either the Republic or Empire would be brutally blunted by superior numbers, especially in void combat. Any aggressive action on the Imperium's part would be limited due to the prospective size of such a campaign, but they'd likely glass a few dozen planets before going home again. In the end the Star Wars universe would endure, and might develop new tech with which to fight the Imperium, but with the resources we know they have at their disposal, they will never defeat the Imperium.
Could they not exist independently as "daemons"? From what I understand belief creates a warp entity constrained within those beliefs until said entities powers grows great enough to break free of those expectations. It is a bit different from the chaos gods since they are embodiments of emotions not belief.
We know strong faith can create and even summon warp entities such as the Angels the Sisters of Battle are able to summon through their faith in the Emperor's protection, and the Sanguinor from the Blood Angels. In theory if a civilisation of hundreds of thousands believed that there was a magical warrior who come and fight for them, then that faith would create that same warrior.
Hehe, yes I thought it was a bit funny. Fun fact, apparently the original Hebrew of that commandment translates to "you shall not murder" not "you shall not kill". This means that killing another person isn't necessarily a sin, only if they are innocent of crimes deserving of death by Hebrew law is it a sin. This means that soldiers can kill other soldiers without it being the sin of murder, it's when civilians get involved that you have yourself a problem. But that is besides the point.
What you say is all pretty accurate (although, it's not like Emps would need to manually confess all of his sins, or actually do anything to absolve himself beyond admitting their existence, the fact that they dam him to Hell, and that only Christ has the power to save him from said fate, just nitpicking really).
As a somewhat off topic question, if belief in a deity can create it in the warp, does that mean that in Ye olde 40k, all the gods we believe in now existed in the warp in someway or another?
Actually God has killed a lot of people. He literally made a super box of death that killed you if you touched it for any reason. He also blew cities and their populations off the face of the Earth, drowned a whole army in an inland sea and on several occasions dispatched angels who killed thousands in a single night. Granted this was in the old testemant, but its the same guy in both books, and it is said in the Bible that God is unchanging, so he would still kill things in order to protect the eventual salvation of the faithful (which is what you can trace pretty much all of God's actions in the Bible back to).
Though I need to ask, are we talking about Jesus as in the man, or Jesus as in God? Because as a man he had no special powers at all. Every miracle he performed was by chanelling the powers of his father (and thus also sort of himself) through his human body. It's the same way prophets or anybody else performs miracles, just that in this case Jesus was both power source and lighting rod, and yet sort of not at the same time. It's a little confusing.
Plus, in all likelyhood God does not exist in 40k, since he doesn't seem to have any followers or anyone preaching his doctrine, something he wouldn't allow if it were within his power to prevent, which would only happen if he did not exist, as by his nature he must have the power to intervene.
A bunch of the other characters in the RP are mercenaries, so just take a look at them for examples. I'd imagine it's along the lines of las-pistols, auto-pistols, las-guns and other such "ordinary" weaponry. You're probably not gonna have much in the way of bolter type weapons though.
You can't really compare the Emperor's power to that of a being with literal infinite power, same with the dark gods. Actual God doesn't/wouldn't fight people: if they are problematic, then they can be removed before you can even finish reading this sentence. If Jesus had to 'fight' the Chaos gods he would simply say "be gone," and they would instantly cease to exist.
Thing is since 40k is a universe where Christianity is "wrong", it almost certainly died many, MANY Millenia before the Unification wars. As a Christian myself I can safely say that if I didn't believe that the church had God's protection then I would predict it's annihilation within the next two centuries, since it is neither one of the "cool" religions or one of the politically correct religions (by which I mean you need to give the, special treatment in order to be properly politically correct). Moreover I find the idea that Empa founded all the major Earth religions hard to believe since creating a bunch of religious creeds that openly contradict each other seems like a bit of a waste. In all probability he whipped up one perhaps two religious schools of thought and others just copied off their own versions (I say this definitively within the context of 40k, I am not trying to devalue real-world faiths, especially not my own). And most importantly, how did this get so much attention? I mean, the title is about Emps and Jesus fighting the chaos gods. I think that screams troll very loudly. Then again I personally would love to see a fight between 40k demons and Christian angels, could be very spectacular if not somewhat one-sided.
Realistically speaking the argument here was finished after the first few posts but kept going because, I don't really know. How did this take a whole dam year to finish?
Oh cool, same as me. I actually hail from the primitive wastes of Tasmania, where we have absolutely nothing (we don't even get put on the map a quarter of the time).
Well, if the request has already been made I say we wait and see. Mentioning locations, it might be a good idea to try and figure out when people are online in relation to each other. It's something that's bothered me a few times in the past when my character/s had to sit out an exchange because for me it took place in the middle of the night and regardless of wether or not I GM, I'd like to be able to make multiple inputs per day instead of one.
Great to see you back Reinno! It's so cool to see so many of the old RPers come back after what's been over a year since the last post on any functioning RP (Alone in the Void on July 25th last year). Gah! The nostalgia! (I only just turned 18 a month ago so something that happened a year ago is allowed to evoke nostalgia when compared to my still relatively short life).
Back on topic: because my dad needs it for his painting service we should hopefully have some kind of temporary dial-up at the new house, so I can afford to get more involved with any prospective RP. So, I am volunteering myself as GM if that should be needed (as we seem to be a little vague on who that's gonna be).
Last thing: the roleplay section on the fanon site seems a little empty. Do inactive/complete RPs get deleted or something, or have they just not used it? Should one of usput up some kind of recruitment thread over there too, or would that be considered rude, to try and recruit people for an activity on a different wiki?
Dam you're right, it's gone. Hopefully they just took it down for maintenance or something. Also I'm re-reading Ransacking the Dark City, and just wow. It seems to primarily consist of massive explosions from ordinance we shouldn't have and single individuals killing a thousand enemies on their own. Also there's a lot of stuff in our older RPs that is decidedly un-40kish (elemental magic powers, Jedi abilities belonging to non-psykers, ridiculous attempts at comedy using materials that don't make any sense (such as I kid you not: rainbows and unicorns) and generally bright attitudes). We should really try to avoid that in future if we can.
I'm checking the RP website regularly, but could we get a post on here when the thread is up over there? I assume it'll be in the "Looking for Roleplay" section.
How do you mean less uniform? It actually struck me as more so. Personally I'd love to head over there, but I don't really have much motivation to if some of you guys aren't going. Also, that is potentially an interesting solution Zixes, I have to admit I've never heard of that site before, sounds handy.
And Orkoid, if you're worried about forgetting your new emails, just make a .txt file on your desktop and write them in it (or some other note taking equivalent if you're using a different system).