Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-37.152.33.225-20131111163502/@comment-37.152.33.225-20131219112019

@Neithan - I don't see your logic here. How do we not know if the Lion is loyal? Of course he is; I don't see any reason to believe the Lion would be a traitor at all. Just because he grew up on a chaos death world makes no difference. Technically all of the Primarchs were touched by the warp, as the Emperor used it in their very creation.

@192 - I think your supposition 'In order for Luther to injure a Primarch so severely he would have needed the assistance of the Ruinous Powers (Horus never would have been able to go toe-to-toe with Emps without his boost from Chaos)' is actually fact. Horus never really stood a chance against the Emperor but would have had absolutely no chance without the ruinous powers buff. Same with Luthor, he never really stood a chance against a Primarch, but was able to at least fight one with his chaos buff.

No way a mortal or probably even astartes could kill a primarch, I think some people are forgetting just how powerful a son of the Emperor is. Any of the loyalists would make great leaders of they returned, the only difference would be how they lead ( Guilliman best all rounder, Russ very direct etc) the loyalist Primarchs loyalty to the Emperor was unbreakable so there is no reason to belive if they returned they would be uninterested.

And as far as the Russ vs Lion feud, I think its safe to say they would forget about it if they both returned and seen the current state of affairs. Pretty ridiculous to think they would return and then not work together.