Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-64.121.236.162-20140910042956/@comment-8881468-20150123102635

just a tip: why do the red corsairs, the black legion and f.e. the iron warriors take loyal gene-seed to produce new initiates when they could take their own mutated gene-se3ed and already produce marines that have the gifts of the chaos gods through mutation... ( remember that iron warrior warsmith who is actually a bearer of imperial fist gene-seed or do you remember the term the red corsairs use for their apothecaries, and why they call em that way?)

oh wait, is it because they cannot cultivate the gene-seed organs from mutated gene-seed and thus cannot induct new neophytes?

that is a totally different thing than the dragon warriors, who were messed with by the mechanicum and who are declaired excummonicate traitoris or so, aren't they, being hunted by the inquisition because of their taint...

or should we take the night haunters, who limit their induction of neophytes depending on whose gene-seed those people are blessed with, aka: if taint is perceived in the former bearer, his gene-seed will not be passed on)

to 3. emperor'S children lost a lot of their gene-seed reserves prior to finding fulgrim and were nearly wiped oput, only the access to his, then pure gene-seed saved them. we could debate on how much the traitor legions could take with them into the eye of terror and how that influenced them... aldso the eye of terror and the contact to chaos mutates them and their gene-seed, so basiccally: their gene-see dis mutated and since their primarchs are demon princes now, they do not have access to an untainted source of genetic material for the induction of new marines.... why do you think that legions like the emperoir's children, the thousand sons and so on are relatively small? --> they cannot really reproduce and the other legions take in traitor marines or take loyal gene-seed to replenish their ranks.

to 4: fabius bile has access to primarch gene-seed material from terra, as we find out when we read "deliverance lost" .. you have no argument.

to 5. if you knew a tad more about that method, you'd know that the iron warriors raided the facility on hydra cordatus, thus gaining access to vast quantities of imperial gene-seed tithes from the imperial fists, which they used as material for the daemoncubula or whatever that device is called--> you have no argument

to 6.. I'd actually have to read it but let's take some examples: Ahriman is deemed THE chaos sorceror aside from his primarch, he may perform feats that others only dream about. the world eaters do not use sorceror's, the iron warriors don't do them either. the death guard does not like them either (only one of them that i really remember is typhon who has no allegiance to mortation anymore)  also: if the chaos gods were that able to manipulate time, do you not think that they'd have taken out many of their opponents long before? (or each other for that matter, I mean: kill of the eldar early and you have no slaneesh f.e.)

7. it has been suggested by a demon to a primarch when the demon is the one who tries to get lorgar to "defect" to chaos... it is a suggestion without proof.

in "the outcast dead" it is strongly hinted that empi had already created anti-psyker geneforged soldiers to battle the cogniscients (or what they are called)   also gentic breeding of men is already in techno barbarian terra, which empi lived through

maybe, if you read delivarance lost, you find out that alpharius gave only manipulated samples and data to horus and kept the undiluted material for himself though that is only, i think, in the alst 2 chapters, i can look for the exact lines later if you wish)

8. as gene seed is mutated by staing in the eye of terror, you have little of an argument.