Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-8881468-20160114090952/@comment-143.81.103.35-20160127082120

Neithan02 wrote: I am not sure wether you have read deliverance lost. Yo0u are aware that they are basiccally given the Primarch DNA and the Emperor's research data and then only try to  minimize the vrieties and subtleties of the Gene see, to get one of the 20 specific Primarch DNA sets and churn out marines.

All they are doing, again, is minimizing previous work, thery are not inventing anything new. Adding to that is the fact that Corvus and not the Mechanicum does most of the theoretical work and adding to it the transfer of a 30k concept into 40k.

Do you even think about your postings before you type them up?

To quote the Hotshot Las article's last sentence. " As such, only a small number of  Forge Worlds  in the Imperium possess the technological know-how or requisite materiel to produce these potent weapons."

They knew they would battle power armoured foes or orks on a large scale for 10000  years and did not manage to make it a mass produced article.. talk about research.

If we move on to the Bolter and the "patterns" which are more defined by material and add ons ( f.e. ultima nocturne has a night vision attachment (kinda redundfant with auto sense and occulobe but meh.^^) or the production world than actual improvement. THe difference between a mark IV and IV Ultra f.e. is 5 more rounds in the  magazine of the latter.

Also let us not forget that standard attitude of the Mechanicum  of "older is better" hence the keeping of weapons of the great crusade still being churned out by f.e. the Dark Angels and many other chapters.

With regards to red tape.. hand them 100 at their inception, when you know jack diddly poop about how they will operate /act/react. NOt even mentioning that with loyal chapters that have fought for the IoM for millennia it is kinda awkward to not give them access to the best gear available or to not supply them with all that is needed. Same for f.e. Deathwatch and Dreadnoughts or the lvoely pet dogs of the inquisition.

As for tzhe Orks, research proof that you have been debating for ;)  We could argue for mutations base don environment, etc or the constant growth through strife making it hard / genetics ineffective.  and tbh: the IoM already has an I win button over Orks, Lifeeater ftw. they already have access to that and still orks are around.

as for the jetbikes: it would be nice if you actually used your brain before giving me more arguments to work with.

The IoM had access to jetbikes in the time of the GC but since then, since the heresy they have not produced any. You know, degredation of Mechanicum abilities is a thing.

but hey, to quoite that article to you

"  The last known Jetbike pattern that was built by the Imperium was the Mark XIV Bullock Pattern Jetbike, which was equipped with an integrated auto-drive as well as other additional specialised capabilities such as auto-targeters linked to the vehicle's weapons, an  Auspex, and an extensive suite of sensors capable of differentiating between biological lifeforms and inorganic energy emissions. Imperial Jetbikes were capable of both in-flight and hover modes. In combat, Imperial Jetbikes could be deployed by aerial-drop separation, a technique where a jetbike would be dropped from a Stormbird  while the aircraft was still in the sky. These formidable and sleek craft allowed their riders to soar at great speed across the battlefield, held aloft by archaic anti-gravitic technology lost to the  Tech-priests  of the  Adeptus Mechanicus    in the 41st Millennium."

You really want to use jetbikes, which the mechanicum has not been able to produce in 10000 years as an example for tzhe mechanicum being able to do research?

Do over, do over and look this time.

Ah, ok. So it's a "my interpretation of things is right" kind of discussion as usual, Neithan? Re-read what I posted about jetbikes. I CONFIRMED that the mechanicum hadn't done anything with them since the Heresy.

Also, just because the mechanicum doesn't MASS-PRODUCE something doesn't mean they don't improve things. the Hot-shots are proof of that REGARDLESS of how many forge-worlds can make them. Again, your argumentative bias is showing their.

Hellfire bot rounds, designed specifically to combat Tyranids AFTER the Heresy (you are strangely "quiet" about that one).

Mechanicum's attitude aside, a bolter with a mag that has space for 5 additional rounds (as minor as that is) IS STILL IMPROVEMENT. Again, your interpretational bias is showing.

Life-eater virus...Really? Did you miss the part in my post about the I.W.I.N. buttons being bad for lore, something YOU yourself would oppose if GW came out and said and the IoM Virus bombed all Orks in the Galaxy out of existence and their are completely extinct. Yeah that'd work. But let's play cowboys and indians for a second and assume GW didn't care. Why hasn't it already been done? Why not just virus bomb every world that has or ever had Orks on them? Certain Space Marine Chapters and, likely, several leaders within the IoM would probably be OK with it. But you know what stops them? RED TAPE! You think the Mechanicum would allow one of it's Forge Worlds to be bombarded from orbit at the first sighting of an Ork infestation?

"All they are doing, again, is minimizing previous work, thery are not inventing anything new. Adding to that is the fact that Corvus and not the Mechanicum does most of the theoretical work and adding to it the transfer of a 30k concept into 40k."

You don't have to "invent anything new" to be doing research. If someone handed someone something with a flaw and that person actively tried to remove said flaw that is trying to IMPROVE said thing. That takes research. Regardless of success if they are actively trying to improve something (ie. trying to eliminate flaws) that is research.

'''Research: Noun 1. diligent and systematic inquiry or investigation into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, applications, etc

verb (used without object) 2. to make researches; investigate carefully.

verb (used with object) 3. to make an extensive investigation into:'''

No matter how you slice it the Mechanicum does research. How they do it (indidually versus collectively), how they apply it, how they communicate it is irrelevant to THE FACT that they actually do it.

Your assumption that the Mechanicum does not do research is wrong. However, I fully expect you to have a rebuttal. You hate being wrong on this board.