Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-7699236-20150618150629/@comment-8881468-20151220152117

ZiXIS, leave him be, as long as he can only produc e argumentum ad hominem instead of actually offering facts to back up his theories, it is clear that that person simply lacks the ability to participate in a discourse.

Your argument with special forces is actually quite invalid, given the amount of hypno-indoctrination and a mentors with centuries of battle experience, let alone writings like the Codex Astartesa (which they probably all know by heart).

Common sense, you  mean like applying that in 10000 years nobody created a stable source of recruitment for the Chaos side of Space Marines and that even loyalist forces can encounter difficulties retaining their numbers (black dragons, flesh tearers, blood angels, celestial Lions et ceteri.

As for the gene seed organ  loss: are they still able to prosecute their campaigns and actually fulfill their taks: yes

Does the Imperium have any way to actually improve on the gene-seed /create new gene seed outside of existing templates --> nope /attempts actually failed  -> cursed 21st founding, every founding apart form the 1st and 2nd were actually from multiplied genetic stock form former tithe material.

Does the Imperium still rely on the Astartes to do certain jobs both martial and  PR wise --> yeah they do still fulfill those functions. common sense thus woudl dictate to maintain those forces despite them not having all gene seed organs.

pleaser startzusing the available material, aka use that, which defines the franchise we are talking about.

75.90.54.6 wrote: so you are saying the gene-seed is what makes Astartes so BA?then explain how Luther and his followers whom mostly didn't have the gene-seed managed to kicked Johnson and his Dark Angels that had the gene-seed collective asses and give them an even fight... Would be nice if you actually looked up who was sent to Caliban, before talking about the followers of Luther as being only genhanced humans and not superhumans). Alas, should we look at the chances for that process working on a large number of humans, then please look at the 13th company of the Space wolves that are based on Russ' original huscarl retinue.

I recall such lovely dudes among that as Zahariel or Merir Astelan, same as a ton of other Astartes+ their complete oversight over the Dark Angels recruiting process and thus access to quite a rather large number of Astartes, if I remember those novels and others correctly, the Schism  included quite a substantial part of the DA Legion (among them actually a good chunk of first founding veterans)

Fallen Angels and descent of angels and the other dark angels novels are quite intriguing in that regard.