Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-7699236-20150618150629/@comment-31.89.154.158-20151225182326

By sane dynamics I meant same dynamics, how, why, who etc they interact with.

Not same reasons for a more inclusive recruitment - though with some chapters such as the lamentors which have suffered critical battle field losses, then it's more of a 'like for like' comparison. Their culture is different, I admit, in some manners but only insofar as culture differs between each chapter in the vast majority of areas. The bond created in warrriors/enforcement/high stress jobs will unite them.

Does not matter if the standards are lower for IG than for SM but more that they can perform their given role adequately within their organisation. I say adequately as not all SM are equal, same with all IG likewise not. There will be a minimum standard but specialist units may have to demonstrate better results - this is seen in real life. It is a nigh on a fact however that within the ranks of the IG, if you had tested them at the appropriate time and appropriate settings, some will have passed. So 'standards' are tricky to nail down. This is especially so when each Chapter has different aspirant initiations so indeed a uniform 'standard' is again tricky to nail.

We could also go into detail about how the 'Ghosts been a light infantry regiment are not a storm troopers regiment was never mentioned as of any relevance to story quality and an example of male and female characters interacting ...which is what we are on about...

Well you mention male shines but also female dominated shine - banshees etc exist and are quite capable of screwing over a SM and not because of sheer muscle but due to speed/agility too. Been a SM is not just about killing, they prevent harm as well as cause it. But as long as they can kill adequately once needed, why not have them? Farseers aren't about combat skills though obviously it helps and they certainly have a grounding in it but it is another example of how a female is quite adequate for the role at hand and make good story lines. Also, never debated that males and females aren't different biologically but on a bell curve, you'll still get suitable males and females and both where their physical capabilities are not the same as their gender suggests. Real world example. Olympic female judo lass can kick my ass because I'm not up to her standard in judo though may be stronger and more intelligent. Then you have the millions of females more intelligent or stronger. Standards...tricky to nail down eh.

I know someone said about not caring about the real world but when GWS make pains to borrow principles/ideas from real life then it's only time before certain ideas start to become oddly missing. I'd say the slow addition of females in the genre is a move to include more and in time, I wouldn't be shocked to see a female SM. Think they are warming the water so to speak...If females can pass US ranger training then it's not a matter of capacity but appetite (people still don't like to think of dead female soldiers...sentimental crap 40k is unlikely to feel I expect lol).

Tau can be considered as we are talking more about story lines still been good with females in as main/established character. It does have some TAU negativity though which makes for good story as well. The greater good isn't half as unified as considered (though we knew that from other sources anyway).

SOB and IG are not SM though, equality is not present and for no good reasons really. So cheers but your attempts at appeasement isn't working.

Would you turn away a female aspirant if she survives the initiation process?