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67.255.38.156 wrote: ZiXIS wrote: Yea... the problem with your statement is that you yourself don't know how the Emperor will become a warp god. Once his boby dies, it will be the end of the Imperium.

Powerful entities like Eldar and Chaos Gods were not previous mortals, they were created from feelings and thoughts. Despite the Emperor being one of the most powerful psykers, he is still a mortal being. It does not matter how many religious followers the Emepror has, this will not help him to become a god.

In short, a realspace being cannot be elevated to a status of a god-like being in the warp. You have the Star Gods and the Old Ones, but none of them were able to manifest themselves as Gods in the warp.

Like I said, you can keep dreaming on about the idea. This is you right, and no one can change that. But most likely, it will stay that way. Gotta come back and respond to this. You do understand / realize the Emperor is not a mortal being... correct? He is the culmination of all of humanities greatest psykers / wisemen combined, because when the Gods of Chaos were being born great sorcerors were getting their souls devoured after death. He's technically an unknown number, possibly tens of thousands, of souls in one body. "One of the most powerful psykers" - he is pretty much a god of the material plane and is anathema to the Chaos Gods, he is *the most* powerful psyker to ever exist.

It's confirmed canon that the Emperor rose and wanted to exist long enough for humanity to "transcend" into the most psychically gifted race in the galaxy. If the Eldar who were likely much less numerous than humans, why would it not make sense for humans in turn to create a god through their collective consciousness? There are plenty of emotions not reflected in the warp, and if the Eldar could do it then so can humanity.

It's also almost 100% likely that the Emperor is perpetual. He's almost 50,000 years old, literally one-shot Horus with his mind, build a webway alone, tricked the Chaos gods and almost killed them. If a perpetual dies, they come back to life as long as even one cell is left in their body (Vulkan?). Not to mention the fact that no being in the history of the 40k storyline ever managed to do what the Emperor's collective consciousness managed to do. He became anathema to the warp and immune to Daermons by binding untold consciousness' into an immortal soul. What happens to the soul of an immortal when it dies? We don't know, so you can't say he's wrong.

" It does not matter how many religious followers the Emepror has, this will not help him to become a god. "

Unclear... His will and power manifest in the Sisters of Battle, his spirit alone is essentially keeping another EoT opening up on Earth. No information in 40k states that worship / belief does not create Gods.

" You have the Star Gods and the Old Ones, but none of them were able to manifest themselves as Gods in the warp."

That's because they are / never were gods? The Old Ones are absolutely a biological life-form that came about naturally, they were just advanced. I don't remember seeing any information about them being super powerful psykers or they wouldn't have needed the Eldar to begin with. The C'Tan hate the warp, I'm not really sure what your point with that was. The C'Tan were not gods.

" In short, a realspace being cannot be elevated to a status of a god-like being in the warp. You have the Star Gods and the Old Ones, but none of them were able to manifest themselves as Gods in the warp."

The end all be all closing statement, is that nobody knows if that's true or not. Just because none of them have done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. The Emperor is not a single person, and is certainly not normal by any means. He's a completely unique psychic conglomerate of souls. Oh boy, now that is a discussion that I did not have in a long time. But let's get on with it...

Most of your paragraphs (if not all of them) are assumptions. You are also trying to negate my statements rather than prove any other data that may support your claim. But lets see what I can do with alll this.

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When I said that the Emperor was a mortal being, I ment that he can be killed through violence or any other physical harm (he is immortal in the sense of being ageless rather than being invincible). We can see that in the Battle for Gorro, during the Great Crusade. In that battle, the Emperor was weakened while he was fighting the Ork Warlord and making the Astronomican work through his psychic might (which, naturally, took a lot of his strength). If it wasn't for Horus, the Emperor could be killed by the Ork Warlord. And, even if he were a perpetual, the Astronomican would've go down for a specific time being (you can imagine what kind of damage the Crusading forces would have to endure, right?).

He is  "One of the most powerful psykers of mankind". First off, he is "one of", meaning that there maybe other powerful psykers. Second, "of mankind" (you forgot to add that part). He is the most powerful psyker of the human race, not of all races of the galaxy.

Also, being a one of the most powerful psykers does not make you a god. It gives you a lot of abilities but not a godhood (Eldrad Ultharn, Malcador and the Old Ones are a good examples).

He is pretty much the god of the materiel plane - the words "pretty much" take thte form of assumption rather than an argument, but even without them you would still have to present data that would support your claim about  his godhood.

He is *the most* powerful psyker to ever exist - Now you just negate your previous claim -  "One of the most powerful psykers", meaning that you are  contradicting yourself.

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As you now,  the Eldars are way more advanced race than man (in physical, emotinal, and in spiritual meanings of course). Their thoughts and feelings projects much stronger signals in the warp than that of human, and just like that they were able to create their own gods (also, they were way numerous during their imperial age as they were the rulers of the galaxy).

The Eldars did not elevate one of their own to the status of godly-being. What they did is create gods from their emotions and thoughts, and those gods became warp-entities.

It is almost 100% likely that the Emperor is perpetual -  Don't get me wrong, I too want to believe that the Emperor is perpetual, but there is no hard evidence that he is. We can assume that he is perpetual, but can't be sure of it. Also, almost? and 100%? So is it 100%? Or almost? Your assumptions are gettting out of hand.

He build a webway bridge that would connect to that of the eldar webway. The ones who build the webway were the Old Ones (the Eldars would later inherit the webway and its knowledge of building).

He did trick the Chaos Gods but could not kill them. He thought that the Imperial Truth would kill the gods, but as we know, the Chaos Gods were created from the emotiones and  thoughts  of all the living races of the galaxy. Meaning, even if the Emperor's Great Crusade would've been successful and he would install the Imperial Truth on every world of the galaxy, the Chaos Gods would be greatly weakened but not killed.

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His will and power manifest in the Sisters of Battle -  How exactly is his will and power manifest in the Sisters of Battle? This is more of an superstition than an argument. If you are referring to the Living Saints, than it is as you said, unclear. Though I believe that they manifest themselves through the power of their own faith than that of the Emperor.

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'' That's because they are / never were gods? The Old Ones are absolutely a biological life-form that came about naturally, they were just advanced. I don't remember seeing any information about them being super powerful psykers or they wouldn't have needed the Eldar to begin with. ''

'' The Old ones were no gods, but they were powerful psykers who have created the webway, as well as the Eldars (who in their turn created their own Eldar Gods), the Orks, the Hrud and countless other species (maybe even the humans). They were also nearly-immortal. If this does not say that they are poweful psykers, than I don't know what does. Please, re-read their article. ''

'' The Star Gods were born at the same time as the galaxy was born. Planets and stars were beneath their food-chain. They are gods but not of the warp-nature. Again, re-read the C'tan article. ''

My advice to you. When you are done writing your message, please go through it again so