Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-2113806-20131221211104

Dear all, this is a suggestion based on my own experience of the principal loyalist Legion/Chapter pages (ie. Dark Angels, White Scars, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, Salamanders, and Raven Guard). It may be appropriate to the Traitor remnants too: certainly as ADB keeps emphasising with his Abaddon books, the Black Legion is not the Sons of Horus with a new paint job, but rather a composite of several legion remnants under one charismatic leader.

Anyway, what I propose is seperating the Legion articles from the Chapter articles.

(1) Partly this is because of the seperate ontology of the Legions from the Chapters - the Chapters are only one fragment of each Legion (along with every other second founding chapter).

(2) Indeed the cultures and characters of many of the Legions are very different from the Chapters we know from 40k - examples include the Space Wolves, White Scars, Dark Angels, Salamanders and Iron Hands especially, but also perhaps the Blood Angels, Raven Guard (where Deliverance's recent history is still key to their culture), and Fists. I don't know - but the Legions presented in Massacre, and as written in the HH novels, are very different from the Chapters in the codeces and 40k-era novels (or indeed earlier, considering a text like Battle of the Fang makes its purpose, somewhat, the difference between the Prospero Burns Rout and the more familiar Wolves of 40k). The Astartes in them are different - and the Chapters are fundamentally different too.

(3) Thirdly, arguably whatever is contained in the main article for the prime Legion/Chapter should be included in every second founding chapter too, since the members of each one experienced the same events and traumas of their parent legion, being drawn from the same membership.

(4) Also it is to clarify the information that is appropriate only to the Legions (member lists, especially, but also battles) from their Chapter equivalent. The present pages are messy, as 30/31st millenia Legion members share the same space as 41st millenium Chapter Astartes. It just seems bizarre and messy.

(5) Finally it would add to the deep and necessary distance between 30k and 40k, which might be nice too?

It would not be too hard to effect, either: creating an example difference between 'Dark Angels (Legion)' and 'Dark Angels (Chapter)'. The text appropriate to the former goes in that page (with a history finishing, for example, with the creation of each subjunct chapter - the Dark Angels Chapter, the Angels of Absolution, etc - and any relevant figures who became  each first chapter master?), the text for the latter in that page beginning their history with after the Second Founding?  