Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-65.29.225.205-20130427160705/@comment-15803608-20170612174417

You keep saying "simple: Primaris marines are heretical and therefore Guillimon's a heretic", but that ignores everything I have been saying about his popularity. Even if Primaris Marines aren't entirely orthodox within Imperial Creed (and on that note I think they are), Guillimon's popularity is such that almost everyone will side with him against any other imperial who condemns him. On the Horus Heresy, you know that those sons openly worshipped Chaos and tried to murder the Emperor right? Not creating Space Marines 2.0, trying to kill the Emperor and openly proclaiming devotion to Ruinous Powers. It will taken nothing less than those to crimes for Guillimon to lose his massive support base.

Here's a demonstration of what I mean

Inquisitors: "Guillimon is a Heretic!! He's making Primaris Marines and associating with xenos and he must die!"

Astra Militarum + Average Imperial Citizens: "We're siding with Guillimon because his Indomitus Crusade saved us from annihilation at the hands of Chaos and also he's the son of our God."

Adepta Sororitas: "We're siding with Guillimon because Saint Celestine says he's doing The Emperor's Will and also he's the son of our God."

Adeptus Astartes: "We need these Primaris Marines to fill our ranks, so of course we're siding with Guillimon! Also he's a Primarch and the son of our Emperor!"

Adepta Mechanicus: "Since we helped create the Primaris Marines, does that make us heretics if he's one for doing this? ... We're also siding with Guillimon! Also he's the son of the Omnissiah!"

High Lords of Terra: "He appointed us so we agree with him."

And so on and so on, until the person accusing Guillimon has no support with which to dislodge him and as a result fails to do so.

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As for the Orks. I never said there's be a perminant alliance with Orks, that would be crazy. I just mentioned how sometimes Ork Freebooterz serve as mercenaries for other races to show how the Eldar aren't above outsourcing their combat. The Orks arn't an important part of my point, so we don't need to focus on them.

On Eldar Superiority, I should note that the Eldar are currently close to extinction. Even if they recovered their Pre-Fall numbers there would be less of them than there would be humans. At a certian point even they would realize that fighting an enemy that could drown them in numbers isn't in their best interest if it isn't necessary. So far the only reason the two factions have been fighting is because both assumed the other wouldn't stop fighting, and as a result they've been wasting resources that could be used against actual threats.

Finally, Guillimon was around when the Emperor was alive and was asleep for most of the time after The Emperor's Ascension. His mindset is different, hence the reforms he's passing within the Imperium. He has new ideas and viewpoints, and as Lord Commander of the Imperium and second most popular man in the Imperium he has unchecked authority with which to pass those ideas and views into policy.