Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20150511012802/@comment-86.174.237.122-20150525220141

Been away SCUBA diving so not near the 'net.

 1.        the lunar wolves were not under any form of chaos touch when they met the interex, it was only after erebus took the anathaeme from their museum and subsequent events, that Chaos came into dominance, yet after initial contact with them and on the way to the negotiations in their space, Abbaddon and several others argueds for war on the grounds of the Interex incorporating xenos into their culture.

'' Not entirely fully correct though is it. Erebus was dotting around the legion, spreading this (chaotic) ways via the lodges as well as saying various underhand things. That comment of mine was actually in reference to Erebus stealing the Kinebrach Anathema   (working for chaos was he not...), which helped kick off hostilities, as opposed to the legion actually all been chaos slaves. So yes, you are not wrong, just didn’t interpret my reply correctly. ''

 2.        restricting technology and researcxh via the dogmatic mechanicum versus proper r&d and so on. if the IoM f.e. actually knew how plasma weaponry worked, they could still produce it en masse

'' Yeah i’d agree with that over all. The mechanicum is a double edged sword to say the least, more a bad thing in many regards as they allow religion and power corruption to rule over progress. Though it is clearly evident that they do mass produce plasma weapons as the billions of   troops of the various branches of the imperiums military, engineering units (both civil/military) and the mechanicium have them in ample enough numbers to not be hand produced. Not really sure why you bring this up, another attempt at a distraction/change of subject/strawman arguement maybe? ''

 3.        If the did know a bit about AI, they would not need to rely massively on manual labour and hence not have to built such nice hives full of teeming flesh ressources, being a lot less attractive targets for nids and eldar ^^

 Yes agreed again though I’m sure we (been educated and well read etc) are aware of the Terminator series as well as Isaac Asimov’s laws, thus the need for control and moderation of its uses. Again not really sure why you bring this up, another attempt at a distraction/change of subject/strawman arguement maybe?

 4.        webway portals and find them, locate them (aka with the help of your friendly eldar, seal them off or guard them to minimise incursion potential ;) yeah I know diplomacy and wit are so underrated.

'' Plenty of examples of the IOM and the Eldar working closely together. I’m not your lacky so am not going to do the research for you but the 13th Black Crusade and “Tallarn Desert Raiders 12th Regiment - Fought in the Cursus War on Tallarn in the 40th Millennium. When the Tallarn uncovered a mysterious Chaotic artefact during the construction of an arterial tunnel on their homeworld, they unearthed the Cursus of Alganar, a legendary mythical Gateway of the Gods that actually served as a potent Warp Gate into the Immaterium and the Realm of Chaos. This discovery forced the Eldar to act, and they attacked the Tallarn in full force. Before the Cursus could be sealed, the gateway opened and the Cursus poured the indescribable minions of Chaos from its Warp portal. The human commander called a truce and worked in concert with the Eldar forces to turn back and defeat the gibbering horde of daemons. The Eldar departed in peace, and the people of both races exchanged promises of friendship, a true rarity in normal interactions between Mankind and other races.” ''

'' Of and ''

'' “Tallarn Desert Raiders 16th Regiment - Fought the Eldar on the Desert World of Holon Prime (762-765.M35). Having great difficulty dealing with the speed and flexibility of the Eldar forces, a Tallarn commander devised an ingenious idea to overcome this disadvantage. He ordered his regiment's Chimeras to have their armour stripped down, giving his Desert Raiders a highly mobile transport to carry them across the vast dunes of Holon Prime. The advent of this newly-designed vehicle was instrumental in the defeat of the Eldar forces. Since this engagement the Tallarn 16th Regiment's First Patrol Company has been known as the 'Gravediggers'.” If they can kill the Eldar, the dark cousins will die too. ''

 5.        orks go to where they get the best fight, aka where they expect military opposition, now again I will go for the simple eldar alliance and webway portals, disrupting any waagh! forming in infancy by killing off the major warboss and triggering their infighting. Orks tend to only come to you if they already reached a critical mass somewhere else, aka: look around you for ork infested planets and check your system against hulks.

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' And who is going to kill these nasty ork types if you don’t keep a military...??? The orks will come for a fight, slaves and technology. So now you want to ‘take the fight to the enemy’...not give ground, scorch earth it...??? are you learn tactics or just came to your senses that sometimes good people have to do bad things e.g.war. You can’t have ot both ways, be a lefty pacifist dove AND a fascist hawk. ''

<p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin-left: 90pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;"> 6.<span style="font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">        Please name the succesful campaigns of PDF and IG versus dark eldar ;)

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' A good few examples in Whte dwarf battle reports et al, again i’m not your lacky so i’m not going to go into too much detail but there are plenty of examples of IOM winning and loosing to the Dark Eldar and other fractions. The Dark Eldar fear the retribution of the IG, thus they run off sharpish not stand and fight...sounnd much like they are so ninja like you are trying to suggest, it even says it in their wiki page. ''

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' “The Harvest of Chogros (543.M41) - The Kabal of the Broken Sigil begins a series of raids on the planet Chogros, capturing the Ogryn natives for the arenas. When Astra Militarum regiments arrive to intervene, the conflict escalates into a planet-wide engagement. Though they fight hard, the men of the Imperium are eventually defeated. The Crucibael is thronged for many nights to come as the captured Imperial Guardsmen are forced to fight the very Ogryns that they were sent to save.” Sounds like whilst not a win, it could have been and clearly doesn’t show a clear superiourity from the pointy ears. ''

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' So unless you are trying to suggest that the PDF/IG have NEVER held back an attack, should you not really stop been a muppet? ''

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' A handy phase for you – “An absence of evidence is not an evidence of an absence”. ''

<p style="text-indent: -18pt; margin-left: 90pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;"> 7.<span style="font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">        call me out all you l,ike I couldnae give a damn..

<p style="margin-left: 90pt;">'' touched a vain then...a silence like that usually means the comment is correct and lets face it, not only has it basically showned, via adverse inferrence, that you are anti-military/civil control but that you lack the moral fibre and strength of convict to confirm it. Bad show indeed...especially as you quite hypocritically then pose a similar question to me...hahaha daft. ''

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;"> Do you agree or disagree with f.e. " forcing your system on others at gunpoint" as has been unsuccessfully tried in Iraq?

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;">'' In reply however, yes, in certain situations i agree with forcing issues on others. When the Axis and Naxis forces were stomping around slaughtering communists/jews/dissenters then i agree it was right for the allies to force their opions on the nazis.I’m also glad that NATO guns helped defend the Berlin Wall against Communist purging durng the Cold War, stopped that from spreading. My opinions, if i’m been transparent (UNLIKE YOU) are still unconfirmed about Iraq/Afghanistan etc ''

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;"> Do you or do you not agree on using diplomacy as a means of attempting to solve conflicts or do you see military might as the only tool available?

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;"> Diplomacy can be a option, amoung others includinng social, economic etc etc sanctions, military intervention etc. 

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;"> We already do know that the IoM acted on false pretences and bombed planets into compliance or annihilated species that wanted to keep their autonomy.. glorious IoM ^^

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;">'' And you think that pretty much every organisation ever hasn’t done less than moral things to help a greater good or even sometimes just personal benefit? ''

<p style="margin-left: 72pt;">'' Do you often stick you head in the ground when a logical argument is put to you, you answered few of my questions. ''