Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-6078851-20130130174042/@comment-3258762-20130829180959

108.20.6.245 wrote: Legionaire22 wrote: 108.20.1.132 wrote: Kadjah Thoris wrote: Given that the 13th have somehow managed to survive in the Warp for ten thousand years I see no reason why their Primarch and his kid brother couldn't do likewise.

Oops, I forgot all about Sanguinius, who is apparently not quite dead. Doombreed, Fateweaver, Tollomin to name a few would flay Russ who couldn't beat Angron and ofcourse Corax who was no match for Night Hunter.

And Sanguinius is absolutelly dead! *angry stare* what are you speaking of?

Now lets be fair here

Angron is the greatest Daemon Prince of Khorne, even more so than Doombreed. And Angron did not actually win over Russ. He knocked Russ to the ground in a battle that Russ did not fight, only to find himself surrounded by three Great Companies of Space Wolves all just waiting for Russ to give the word, which is what Russ intended to show Angron. In other words; He did not fight back much at all, and Angron is tough but over 30.000 Space Wolves bolters and plasma guns would bring him down. Not to mention that it was said only Horus was strong enough to defeat Angron, and Russ just so happened to be winning that hours long duel between Horus and Russ before the Emprah stepped in, which would logically mean that Russ could defeat Angron in a real battle (And lets not forget that Russ was THE most stubborn bastard of all the Primarchs. He waded through warp fire from Magnus and the only thing it did was charr his skin and bleach his beard. Warp Fire from one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy didn't even burn his beard!) :3

Furthermore, Corax fought on even ground with Konrad even after he had been fighting Lorgar AND the Gal Vorbak (Who happened to kill Custodians easily, and Valdor defeated Horus in a sparring match) single handedly.

But I would say Doombreed would be a problem for Russ and Corax. Tough fight? Oh yes. Impossible to beat? Not by any stretch of the imagination. You are misunderstanding me terriblly. The only way I see Russ and Corax surviving in the Eye this long is by avoiding combat as much as possible and waiting for the Emperor's call. A mentallity of preventing the Imperiums enemies from attacking at the very start, not crusading through the Eye attacking Chaos. Like I said (perhaps not too clearlly) in the post that I posted twice because of an issue, it wouldn't just be Doombreed, if the gods knew exactly where they were (if they were attacking openlly) there would be several bigshots dispatched that would exchange Primarch body parts as suvineers amongst eachother. And given that they are in the Eye you might see a Deamon Primarch take part for revenge too. So it wouldn't be Russ and Corax fighting Doombreed together it would be 10 Chaos Bosses fighting one and another ten the other.

Given this logic I personally think that Russ and Corax have about a 0.1% chance of both still being alive, and 1% of one of them being alive. And if they are dead there is 0% chance of some sort of Sanguinor like Sanguinius or healing like Gulliman fenomenon taking place because they are in Chaos's ballpark.

I was not aware that Russ did not fight back. And indeed I was impresed by Corax defeating the Gal Vorbak, but he did retreat from Konrad. That says enough for me.

I understand you more clearly now, but if the Sanguinor is Sanguinius spirit and Guilliman is healing, then I am 100% sure the mysterious giant Wolf Lord that leads the 13th is Leman Russ.

As for the Angron/Russ and Corax/Konrad: Russ did fight back, but Angron meant to kill while Russ meant only to occupy Angron until his troops had encircled them. Which he did pretty well, and Konrad had barely fought at all, he had strode through the battle without a scratch, calmly walking towards Corax who had fought the original 3 Traitor Legions, before falling back, fighting the now apparent traitor second wave, crash from the sky with his jump pack, crash inside a Stormraven, fighting Lorgar while at the same time defeating the Gal Vorbak who went to defend Lorgar and THEN Konrad arrived. Not neccesarily fair to say Konrad would win just because Corax retreated, which he did to help his Raven Guard a way off.