Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-24226187-20160527193218/@comment-24226187-20160530141608

In another post Thrash Boat counter my points by the following (His anwers are in Italics ):

SoulRush94 wrote:

I will be the first to admit that I am hardcore Tau fan, meaning I have read every codex published about their faction, even read most, if not all, published stories about my favorite battlesuit loving war army: Legends of the Dark Millennium: Shas'O; Apocalypse Anthology: Damocles; Commander Farsight; including the newest addition to Battles of the Space Marines series: Blades of Damocles by Phil Kelly, which is an amazing story that gives a bit more insight into the often misunderstood tau culture and their aloof Etherial overmasters (great read really recommend it), among many others. Although I like Tau, I am a Hard-science fiction lover, meaning I am able to view things from a neutral and unbiased position. Now here are the points I am going to address:

1) There has been no confirmed link between the Necrons - Necrontyr died billions of years ago before the War in Heaven began due to their dreaded bio-transference to their immortals bodies - and Tau. So their can be no direct link between the two.

'- That is speculative as well, the Necrontyr, and make the distinction between the two, as the Necrontyr and the Necrons are not the same. The Necrontyr's technology was vastly more advanced than any other race save the Old Ones, especially their understanding of time/space manipulation. This technology has advanced even further after their transference. Also the War in Heaven began BEFORE the bio-transference, not after. Moreoever, not all the Necrons lost their consciousness after the transference, so while a direct link is tenative, it is still a significant possibility.'

2) Tau do have a presence in the warp, it have been proved by Librarian and psykers from the Ultramarines Chapter (see Blade of Damocles or read the Tau section on the Psyker 40k wiki page). Yet that presence is so diminished and mitigated, that not only the unnatural mutating and soul-bleaching corrupting effects of Chaos do not find purchase within the Tau but they appears almost invisible to warp entities. However this does not protect them from the physical effects of the Warp on the Material sphere. Plus their lack of knowledge regarding the immaterium and their foul hosts, and there fore ill prepared for direct warp exposure or mind battle, a situation that cost the Tau dearly during the Damocles Golf Crusade.

' - The fact that they are significantly affected by the Warp much in the same fashion as the Necrons would certainly lend credence to the Necrontyr/Necron theory since the Necrons themselves cannot grasp the concept of the Warp since it defies the physical understanding of the Universe and the basis of all Necron technology is based on physical principles regardless of how abstract is may seem to less advanced sciences. '

3) Pariah Gene is not only an absence in the warp but the ability to snuff out the wild flames of otherworldly souls in the Warp and since the warp is a soul reflecting mirror of the material world, nobody likes their souls extinguished, reason mainly why they are instinctively shunned by society and loathed by warp entities. And Tau most definitely doesn't fill this profile.

'- You  misunderstand the nature of the Pariah gene. The Pariah gene creates the potential for nega-psychics. It is the difference between matter and antimatter, not merely an abstract destructive capability. The Pariah gene creates an anti-Warp being. The fact that the Tau possess a reduced presence and are not affected by corruption of the Warp would certainly lend support that the negative side-effects of the Pariah gene were overcome or perfected, or perhaps the very physiology of Tau makes a common baseline gene easier to engineer or they themselves were engineered at such an early stage as to dillute the nature of the gene. '

4) The Tau amazingly and superb grasp of technology is not due to Necron influence, for that to be true The Necrons should or would have to leave a cache of technology for the Tau to reverse engineer such technology and based their entire tech in its specs, which we know is not true since Tau and Necrons technology couldn't be father apart plus we know that Tau is not under any constant vigil by the Necrons. This coupled by the fact that Necron tech defies all physics, blending reality and fate within their fingers, so advanced that it almost seem magical and escapes any true human - Mechanicum - understanding, nullifies your theory about Necrons and Tau technology having a common root, since Tau technology almost seem like hard-core science that one day OUR 21 century humans can attain without trying to bend reality with warp-kissed magics.

'- Necron technology does not defy all physics, it merely defies certain beliefs of physics. All Necron technology is based on physical principles contrary to the non-physical nature of the Immaterium.'

5) Never have I read about Etherials possessing phasing technology

' - The Ethereals have C'tan phase blades or weapons significantly similar to Necron tech and that it is certainly of note. '

6) Now the Eldar employ long range tactics when dealing with Necrons

' - That's of no consequence in regards to this. Battle tactics are not the point, tech focused on using long-range firepower combined with mech support is a hallmark of the Necrons and the Tau as well. '

7) Ever since the Ending of Battlefleet Gothic scene where the C'tan refers to a Dark seed in the east, people have assumed the worst and jumped the Tau into their line of sight, in a pathetic effort to vent their irrational hatred for the mech loving army.

 '- Again, speculative and also pretty jerky. It's one thing to debate the nature of how things will play out as far as the canon of the game is concerned, it's quite another to be so consumed by your need to be right as to act as though you are the font of knowledge for all things Tau. Unless you are a writer for GW, you thoughts on the matter are as speculative and theoretical as anyone elses.' 

Conclusion: Without any prove of the Tau and Necrons relationship all this theories are still wild speculations with no base to support itself.

'''-   The Tau have almost no Warp signatures, like the Necrons, find the Warp and the Immaterium an anathema, just like the Necrons, have very similar skull shapes, stature, and the the overwhelming desire for tech and energy weapons, like the Necrons, and the Ethereals have C'tan like phase blades. That is hardly wild speculation. Speculative and theoretical, but most certainly not out of the realm of possibilities when one considers the Necrons extremely long history or the abilities of some Necrons to actually see possible futures. Moreover, not only can they see the future, their grasp of time/space manipulation is strong enough to where they have in fact adjusted factors to ensure a timeline progresses along a predetermined path. This is most readily apparent in the construction of the Cadian Gate which would have occurred before the birth of Slaanesh and the Eye of Terror. '''

There is nor enough reference condemning the Tau.

' - While the evidence supporting a Necron/Tau connection is speculative, it is not worth dismissing. There are too many variables, and, as you say, not enough canon reference materials to confirm or deny it. As far as anyone knows, GW may be planning to put this very thing to rest by making the Tau the biggest middle finger the Necrons and the C'tan have ever given to the Immaterium, only time will indeed tell. '

Sorry guys but they Fight for the Greater Good and nothing Else. Read books and not just blogs.

'- This last statement is completely ridiculous and unecessary. While you brought up solid points in defence of the Tau, the arrogant, know-it-all nature of this long-winded diatribe, which could have been reduced to a few key bullet points, makes you seem a bit of a douche. I have no problem debating this or any other point in the 40k Universe, and personally, I like the Tau. They are the most level headed and have the most balanced society of any of the other races, not to mention they are the least maniacal or psychotic race. That being said, unless you write for GW and have inside knowledge, your thoughts on the matter are as speculative and theoretical as anyone elses. Trying to make some silly mic-drop statement is both immature and counterproductive to keeping open discussions on the matter. Maybe you didn't mean for it to come off that way, but I can't imagine someone thinking it would be taken as a positive counter point.'