Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-8881468-20160114090952/@comment-143.81.103.35-20160120115448

Neithan02 wrote:

@ The wikia contributor:

You want me to link pretty much every vehicle or piece of equipment of the IoM that has not been improved on during the 10000 years of  W40k? Should I link every piece of technology that is now so rare that the mechanicum cannot really reproduce them in the 41st millenium or the ones that have been degraded by lack of technology. Then we'd start at contemptor dreads and end at the baneblade (as per novel "baneblade).

Please show me the changes in lasguns, lunar class cruisers or the bolter or the vehicles of the Imperium. Why has the Imperium not managed to at least speed up the production process of tactical dreadnought armor, so that all astartes chapters can field 100 of em. Imagine power weapons at line astartes lvl or hellguns at guardsman lvl.

With regard to improvements in the lasguns: Hotshot lasguns, were designed to replace the "outdate" hellguns of IG (AM) stormtroopers.

'''With regard to improvements in bolters: Mark III pattern, Mark II Ultra Pattern, Mark IV Ultra Pattern. All improvements (some non-specific) but ALL designed long after the HH.'''

'''With regard to why production hasn't been sped up: Come on, isn't it obvious? Red tape, Beaurocracy, that whole thing where only a few of the Astartes chapters are actually truly trusted by those in charge...'''

If we look at f.e. xenobiology. They might do dissections and then say:" yo guys, the tyranid bioform gaunt has these features, use weapon x. They do not come up with new weapons to specificcally target that threat nor do they come up with improvements to current technology. Or take the orks: a threat that has been known for 10+ millenia and still the best way to combat them, according to the IoM is to burn them, not more, no selective orkoid genome targetting virus that removes them from ecosystems and so on...

You mean, like, Hellfire bolt rounds were designed specifically to combat the Tyranids?

'''Now, now, Neithan. You know better than that based on previous discussion. GW would NEVER allow the IoM to have a one-button solution to the Ork threat. What would that do lore-wise? If Orks could suddenly be dealt with by dropping a single organism specific virus bomb they would be a non-entity in the 40k Universe. Just as you have argued in the past that it would be stupid of GW to bring back the Primarchs because other races do not have a counter to them, so to would it be stupid for any race to have an I.W.I.N. Button for the Orks.'''

@ Researtch stations: the mechanicum has had centuries, if not millenia to reverse engineer more sophisticated xenos tech (jetbikes, grav tanks, tau wepaonry and stealth systems) and since it is a fact that they have produced nothing in that regard, not even applied the concepts of such technology to replicate or adapt Mankind's tech is as good an argument as any other into: mechnicus does not improve nor do they do research.

'''Uh, mankind has jetbikes. None made recently, however, the point stands that they have in fact produced something.'''

'''Not sure if this was brought up earlier, but, 21st founding... yeah it wasn't exactly a success, doesn't negate the fact the mechanicum tried.'''

As above.

Not saying you are entirely incorrect Neithan, only that some of what you are arguing is incorrect. But I digress.