Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-24142092-20161028193355/@comment-24142092-20161029173110

Neithan02 wrote: Think about how many Horus' lived on cthonia (heck Aximand..) or how many others were named after "famous" people,  that still does not link that name to a unique person.

Problem 2: not all illusions/visions have to happen, a) the gods lie. b) predestnation is not much of a thing and between the vision of lorgar and the death of Argel Tal lie years and things happened which easily influenced the outcome.

Problem 3: (I am too bsy to look the whole vision up, but does it not display more things that did not take place in the warhammer timeline. as far as I remember, there was more in there than just Argel Tal.

 Good points there kind sir.



 Problem 1:

 Good counterpoint.

 However there could be some special cases

 Primarchs -- since they were so unique in the first place, I doubt that naming your child after them will have any affect. So even if there were a tons of Horuses in Cthonia, he will not just reincarnate into one of them (not to mention that his soul was destroyed)

 Argel Tal --special case in that sense that he was a possesed, with two souls. Even amongst the possessed he was special, since the possession the Gal Vorbak "used" was unique.

 Although Erebus used the Anathame-shard to kill him, I don't quite remember if he used the   name intoning method before. Not to mention it is not clear that which of the 2 souls were destroyed in the end, since the Anathame is only able to kill that person whose name was spoken out.



 Problem 2 :

 You are right.

 But hey, we are talking about chaos here. Truth and predestination only works if there is some order behind it



 I am just saying here that with this another Argel Tal, the false part of the propechy may come to pass afterall.

 Lorgar saw an Argel Tal in his vision, but there can be two.



<p class="MsoNormal"> Problem 3 :

<p class="MsoNormal"> Yes there were many other things, mostly what would happen if you do this or if you don't do that.

<p class="MsoNormal"> And yes most of them were false

<p class="MsoNormal"> Like:

<p class="MsoNormal"> +if Lorgar intervenes in Russ's and Magnus's quarrel, he will die (lie)

<p class="MsoNormal"> +if Lorgar fought against Corax he will die (not true)

<p class="MsoNormal"> Although many of these prophecies were told the classic way:

<p class="MsoNormal"> "if you do this there is a high possibility that this will happen"