Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20141206200938/@comment-86.190.171.142-20141227000059

Patronising to the extreme I see Neithan02

You’ve come out with all kinds of frankly overly opinionated and lacking in common sense ideas to close down a potentially valid suggestion. A researcher you would not make – follow the evidence not your own opinion.

 1)        Some would stand out, this is true. If you know anything about genetics, you would know that whilst the geneotype would indeed be similar, the phenotype would express as a spectrum available to the respective allels. So not all Ultramarines would have Blue eyes, blond hair etc as there genetics would be affected by their environment to the detriment of the genes sometimes and vice versa. We see often in children of parents, some of the children with inherit traits from the mother, the father, the grand mother and grand father etc . In a marine, the primarchs genes would mingle with that of the host body with the various recessive and dominate allels competing, you seem to forget that inplants are not genes and so the actual genetics of a person are not overly changed. One of the reasons for most legions looking so similar if a mixture of similar genetic stock from the, generally, sole recruitment planet and the same added genetic material from their primarch. You also seem to massively skim over the point that, as far as I am aware, all legions have atleast some Terran stock, so constantly, from each generation, you will have some added material from the hosts. This is why the trainees are genetically tested as well as other tests, to prevent them bringing unacceptable levels of mutation into the mix (mutation such as ginger hair is a mutation of the hair colour allel as opposed to   extra arms/legs mutation). Clearly you haven’t bothered to read or study genetics – thats what patronising comments sound like as well. The Iron Warriors et al didn’t seem too bothered with looting Imperial Fist gene seeds, they mocked   those created from it, but coped without destroying themselves. Also, Marines like Gavril Loken didn’t look much like Horus, whilst ‘little Horus’ (Aximand) and Abaddon did (to a much much higher degree)..that’s called a spectrum of genetic drift F Y I.



 2)        Primarch DNA could and would mix, with the recessive and dominate allels fighting for expression onto the phenotype. This is simple genetics again. Otherwise they would just end up with 50% totally A and 50% totally B, which would happen on a statistical level to some off spring but i real life, there would be a much greater spread-see the point regarding children again.



 3)        Yes, conditioning would take place, training would have to be reformatted but I think you are dramatically over playing how different the run-of-the-mill, line marine was from most (not all) legions. They would operate in basically a similar manner with some differences yes, to suit needs and wants but the more major differences would be seen in the special forces of the legions and the more...independently minded or specialist legions e.g the unique units or 1st companies/chapters etc of each legion.   As YOU and ME know nothing about the manners of the destroyed legions, we can not comment on how easy or hard any mixing would be. Nor can we say in what manner the legions were mixed. It would make sense however for assault orientated to go to the assault units etc where their natural skills fell easier.



 4)        I’ve read all the books you mentioned, thank you were much.

As someone who has actually gone through training schemes and moved units and seen how A does it, then moved to B after doing it for a while etc etc, I am accutely aware of how life changes and people get on with it or are ground into dust.

You are also missing a point that, just because the books don’t clearly say “ yeah a ultramarine who was until recently was a what-ever-they-were-called-marine was battling a Word bear, I could tell this as he was totally different looking to me and my clone mates”, that the marines do notice, but it might just not serve to forward to the story to mention it...maybe as GWS/BL don’t want to spill the truth yet. That is called a literary device and dramatic irony (where the audience knows something the characters don’t), if i recall my high school English lessons correctly.

So please, get back in your box and let the adults talk.