Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25507520-20150422230011/@comment-86.174.46.239-20150512194554

i don't have a copy of the 1st 3 HH books to hand but a reference is made (IIRC) that the 4 chaos gods were partners or somehow linked to the emperor, that he tricked them. I think this was said to Horus, by his chaos guide during their turning of him.

Then in Vengeful Spirit, Horus remarks several times that the emperor was made on the plant and that by using the gateway to the choas patheon, he was able to absorb new/extra/enhanced powers but still would have to be powerful to start with, to even survive as Horus mentions fighting massive wars in the choas realm to get the powers to become a 'god', so that he can go toe to toe with the emperor. A few lines, spoken as Horus suggest that he 'took' this power by force and skill, rather than guile, such as it might be suggested that the Emperor did.

I've have to re-read the ending sections and update but it left me very much under the impression that the Emperors origin was from the collective life forces of the human shamen. But in addition to this, he was enhanced by using the gate way, possibly as a result of bargins (the words Horus use) with chaos. If the Emperor somehow tricked the chaos gods into enhancing him then betrayed him, they would well consider him their 'Anathema'...I'd suggestive you read the 1st 3 HH books and atleast the last few chapters of VS, though the entire book is good too, see what you think.

Its hinted at thing, but to my mind, it's suggested more than once.

For someone who slaughters his own troops to make way for their evolved brothers and has race survival in his thoughts, I could well imagine that dark, nasty things might have had to be done to help the greater good of humanity. Hell, maybe that is why the chaos gods could spirit away the primachs, as they were involved in someway in their design. This is as in ultra long game, lets strenghen us by helping the emperor create our new super tough servents (space marines) and bring the imperium to constant war...hmm that be a interesting twist.

I reject that the emperor is 'malal/malice' though as it would seem GWS have cut that character from the current story line