Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-203.134.114.240-20130721023526/@comment-13265279-20130801133908

Neithan02 wrote: your first paragraph is actually no argument whatsoever regarding this discussion, wether a commander pays "lip service" to a fact or not, does not change the fact. imp guard is collateral and stays that way

same goes for the 2nd paragraph, which is actually useless in regards to the guard, as the stormtropper is also not much in coparison as of access to equipment, sturdiness and the likes ;)

not even mentioning that the mission in itself is pretty much foolish, as, when space marines are concerned, their scout units are much better suited for the task, so is the officio sabatorum and the officio assasinorum.

please if you wanna go into a discussion, make sure your responses actually fit the narratives that are brought up. and actually put some effort into it.

you have, thus far not dealt with any criticism to your opinion, have not made much of an argument. Well that was pretty weird logic for the 40k universe. Beacause you seem to think there are scouts and space marines everywhere at all times.

Where the space marines are not, the guard is. And they are not all for canon fodder/collateral. It is an ignorant and only to irritate statement which you make every damn time out of your ignorant shallow views. How annoyed i am of that it is as rude as someone would have said that the "Omaha beach first waves were canon fodder" which they were not.

The canon fodders of the Imperial Guard are the ruthless commanders (like existed in our world too) who think of nothing more than to get the objectives done. Honorable and courageus as guardsmen are they are they do as they are told with subordinant leaders with respect for their men. The reason why i used the examples of real people like the ones in WW2 was beacause you have to think of the meaning of a life and how big of a difference one man can make in a battle even with as little as a lasgun and a blade. Like, let's pretend that all of the wars for Armageddons was real and the first waves of guardsmen that were sendt out. Even with the as little as they had in firepower they still made a difference. As always the first ones on the front were making a difference. Some sacrificing themselves for others to do more.

And as attrition warfare goes they all have a goal in the life they have. Like the Death Korps. They are the best at heavy siege attrition warfare against their enemies, sending waves after waves of men into their death to avenger their forefathers and to please the Emperor for the betrayal, the cost of a man can be so little but mean so much.

And in the midst of all of that there are indiviuals who makes the difference even in the Death Korps (even tho they don't last long) who make the difference in moving to the next trench, overwhelming the enemy. Like for example this from The Fall of Orpheus.

"The signal was given at last and the Death Korps rose as one and began to advance across slowly, evenly gathering pace as they left the rubble and entered the blasted ground. Immediately the curving arcs of Sentry Pylons materialised on the walls of the citadels and turned to track the advancing human army, arcs of power visibly flaring along the strange Necron battlements. Then the killing began. Howling beams of emerald energy blasted great swathes of men from existence, while Tesla Cannons spat volleys of lightning that left anything they touched as burning cinders. Hundreds fell in the first few moments but the Death Korps line did not waver in its advance and now, from deep in the ruins behind them, their own guns spoke."

"As the Imperial troops closed to a few hundred metres, the ground before the citadels burst open, disgorging murderous Canoptek constructs directly into the oncoming Death Korps troops. The huge articulated bodies of the Canoptek Stalkers rose up and tore through the lines, whilst hundreds of smaller Canoptek Scarabs dragged men down, stripping the flesh from their bones. They were met with Bayonet and Lasgun, Flamer and Frag Grenade, and the Death Korps flowed like a tide around the killing machines whilst the tank companies entered range and opened fire with their Battle Cannons into the ranks of the shambling Necron Warriors that were beginning to stream from the citadels."

And if your read the whole Tomb Citadel attack by the Death Korps you will understand that even as they are canon fodder of some sort for the commanders you can still have a feel for them as they fearlessly march to their death not braking the line or the advance. Read the Death Korps action in the Siege of Vraks to understand more as the commander even had replacements of troops ready as the first 200 000 dies.

I look at the Death Korps as one and their goals as special, as all of them are not giving a rats ass about their lives aslong as it is given for the Emperor and to do their task.

You are exaggerating the ways of attrition warfare and the scales of the battles are, as they are not all immensely huge without any concern by anyone for their lives. And even so there is still not braking the fluff in having commanders there to control everything from the frontline like the Death Korps officers do it fighting with their men and their retinue.

And as you see it, they are nothing more that a machine gun firing paper planes at a metal plate with the hope to break it in the end.