Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-24821739-20140604204305/@comment-28917471-20140616144900

Callummacdonald79 wrote:

SanguiniousLives wrote: The Emperor's not coming back, he's a god now and gods can't exist fully in the real world as per the chaos gods. i would disagree on emps being a god (and i think emps himself would still say that he isn't). at best he could be described as a god-like being, but not an actual god.

one thing that defines a god is the ability to create life, and that's something that emps can't do. the chaos gods can, and do, create life, and while it may not be life as we know it it's still a form of life, and aligned daemons are created from nothing more than the will, and essence, of the gods. while emps created the primarchs and astartes (as well as others) he wasn't, and still isn't, capable of simply willing beings into existance. while they were the result of an unprecedented amount of work, effort, and vision, in genome manipulation, they were modified from already existing life.

so emps isn't a god, but technically the chaos gods aren't bona-fide gods either because a true god would have no issue existing in any realm it chose to visit. and emps knew/knows that they aren't actual gods but simply god-like entities, but they are far closer to true god-hood than emps will ever be. Let's agree to disagree, besides emotions and thoughts, faith also gives shape to the Warp. And that effects the Emperor. Like Chaos Cultists who worship the Dark Gods as a Devine Deities, so does the Ecclesiarchy worship the Emperor of Mankind as a God. Also, about the life giving thing, it is no secret that the Emperor have resurrected some of his servants, and brought them back from the dead(for example Drusus, Ephrael stern Saint Sabbat).

The Emperor may have no "daemons" to create, but with the help of faith, Living Saints are formed. They are also created with the help of the God-Emperor, so technically they are the living beings that Emperor creates.

Like the Emperor, the Chaos Gods are real Deities, I mean they are real Gods! Just like the Emperor! You may not know it, but there is a thing that is called an Avatar. Basically it is a God that takes some special form in order to exist in a realspace. The Chaos Gods have done that already, the Eldars are using the Avatars of Khaine to help them fight their wars, The Inquisitors constantly search for some ways to summon the Avatar of the Emperor. So yea... They can appear in the real world too.

About the topic, the Imperium may survive if the Grey Knights will use the Terminus Decree with wisdom. It is said that those instructions may save the Imperium... or destroy it...