Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20141214213749/@comment-25177957-20151222105352

To throw in the opinion of someone who knows Starwars lore a little beyond what is in the movies:

So the whole Starwars vs the whole 40k universe, all characters, all races, all time periods, everything, obviously 40k is going to win that, there's no chance there, 40k is far more brutal and the worst day in Starwars is probably a fine day in 40k.

But let's take a look at with a faction vs faction perspective.

Imperium of Man vs Republic: Let's assume we have a system-wide war occuring, the Republic is attempting to take the system from the Imperium, it it safe to say the PDF/Arbites and other initial resistance is quickly overran, as the Republic has heavier equipment levels in this case, and more manpower, and the element of suprise. It takes about 2 weeks on average to get a chapter (or part of a chapter) of Astartes in the system, unless there is a chapter fleet or planet within a short distance to the system. By this time, the Republic is moderately entrenched, then a chapter, say the Black Templars arrive, and began stricking at critical targets. Jedi are quick to respond to the new Space Marine threat, but if we take a look at how easy non-Jedi masters tend to die for some reason, (judging by novels and movies), it would take about 3 Jedi to kill one Space Marine, so the Space Marines, who are probably killing the Jedi faster than they can use the force are beating them back, Republic commandos aren't standing much of a chance either, and of course, your run of the mill clone trooper is doing terrible in this case. However, it is fair to say that Republic vehicles may be out-doing the Space Marine vehicles, say the Black Templars are lacking Land Raiders, and the strongest vehicle they have right now is a Predator Annihilator, as well as wirlwinds, while the Republic has the full force of their manpower, so the Republic is winning in tank confrontations, yet the victories are pyrrhic. Then we have the question of Jedi Masters vs Librarians and Captains, well the Black Templars make no use of Librarians, so the force isn't completely nulified. However, because this battle is taking place in the 40k galaxy, we don't know if the force exists here or not, to be fair to Starwars, let's assume it does. Let's say we have Ki-Adi-Mundi leading this attack, vs a Black Templar Chaplain, such as Grimaldus, Mundi is able to escape alive but highly wounded and defeated because not only is the "heresy" of the force enraging the Chaplain, but once it came to close combat the lightsaber was not effective, even though Mundi could move faster. So after this engagement with the Space Marines, the battle for the system goes on, and now more Imperial forces are arriving, the Imperial Guard has given the vehicular advantage to the Imperium. Now, as for space warfare, the Republic Navy is no doubt strong, they have agile fighters, and solid capital ships such as Venetor class, unfortunately, the Venetor class is unable to hold against an Emperor-Class, which we can assume is the flag ship of the Imperial Fleet in this case, mostly because of the longer range of the Emperor-Class, the Venetor lost it's shields and about 30% of it's hull before getting into firing range, and while it did about 20% hull damage to the Emperor class, the Venetor was destroyed, Acclimator class cruisers aren't holding up too well against the Gothic Class or Dauntless Light Cruisers either, mostly because they are outranged. We can assume the Imperium brought Stormtroopers with them, which are committed to boarding actions, unfortunately for the Republic, Clone Marines are near defenseless when it comes to elite men, zealous to purge the heretic raining hellgun blasts and frag grenades down the halls. So Republic ships are easily taken. Not to mention, the Black Templar fleet, which, although smaller, is devestating the Republic's ships.

But the Republic isn't done yet, elite regiments such as the 501st have joined the fray, as well as more Jedi, as well as Wookies. So the Imperium is hardpressed to defend key positions on the ground, which takes away from their ability to combat the massive clone army, which is likely near in equal quantity with the Imperial Guard regiments sent to the system. However, the Inquisition has arrived in system a week after the Imperial Guard and Navy, the Ordo Xenos in this case because the Republic is percieved as an Alien threat, this includes the Deathwatch. The Ordo Xenos is taking out Republic leaders and ensuring the extermination of Xenos such as the Wookies. By this point, the Republic decides to pull-back from the system, but light-speed takes a very long time in 40k, and the Republic can in no way make use of the warp, so the Republic fleets are unable to flee by the time more Imperial fleets arrive via the warp, and the Republic fleets attempting to flee are doomed. Imperium wins the engagement, and while the Republic did sizable damage to the system, they were unable to defeat the massed armies of the Imperium. However, the scenario assumed that the Imperium could respond with atleast Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy in under a year.

Now, to explain briefly what happens when you have factions such as the C.I.S, or Empire against the Forces of Chaos.

According to the rule of two, there can only be two Sith Lords at a time, this certainly weakens the ability of the Empire to combat the Forces of Chaos, who have thousands of Chaos Lords, or Daemon Princes When we take the Dark Side of the force, and compare it to Chaos, the unbalance is too great, Imperial Stormtroopers would be corrupted by Chaos in the masses, and daemonic floods would crush all resistance put up by the Empire, even the Death Star, as mighty as it is, stands only a small chance of victory against the combined power of even a single Traitor Legion, who would likely do whatever is needed to defeat the battlestation. To be unfair, let's say the Traitor Legion in question is the Black Legion (oh jeez), the Planet Killer is able to destroy the Death Star before it can fire, as the Death Star takes about 30 minutes to recharge, and fire, the Planet Killer requires no such time. Super Star Destroyers however, are a major issue for the Traitor Legion, but if the Chaos Space Marines and daemonic allies are able to get aboard the SSD's, the crews on board are most likely helpless to win.

Now, I really hate to hurt feelings here, and I like Emperor Palpatine myself, actually my favorite Star Wars character, but now it comes down to him against Abaddon, who no doubt has come to inspect this new "alien threat", or "allies of the false Emperor". Palpatine stands absolutely no chance vs Abaddon, force powers are to no avail against Abaddon's dark wards of protection and blessings by all four Chaos Gods, and Palpatine is clearly helpess in melee combat, Abaddon was able to displace Palpatine limb, by limb with the Talon of Horus, then Darth Vader was next, he was able to make Abaddon flinch a little, but is ultimately decapitated by a blow from Drach'nyen. Ending that contest abruptly.

So to sum it up, the Yuuzhan Vong, C.I.S, Galactic Empire/Republic, or Rebel Alliance are the only factions strong enough to invade the 40k galaxy and atleast expect victory somewhere, it's them against the Imperium of Man, Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Orks, Chaos, Tau, Eldar, Necrons, and whatever else out of the countless horrors in the 40k galaxy, Starwars atleast has a 1% chance to be fair, other than that, we have Thousands of clone troopers dying every second by hails of bolter and Lasgun fire, entire Vong fleets being assimlilated by the Tyranids, Confederacy forces being torn to shreds by the Tau, Sith armies and the Empire being crushed by the Traitor Legions and other forces of Chaos, the whole of the Rebel Alliance being destroyed in less than a year by the Eldar, and Jedi being psychically, and physically destroyed by Inquisitors, Space Marine Librarians, and sanctioned psykers. So in the end, Starwars looses miserably, the races of Warhammer 40k are simply built for a near eternity of war, strife, madness, and horror, Starwars has moments of peace and brief periods of war, the War on Vraks for example, would have spanned 5/8 of the entire Starwars movie series alone. Wars in Warhammer 40k are thousands of times more brutal than Starwars warfare, the Horus Heresy, the worst conflict in 40k/30k killed over 4 trillion, the Clone Wars, assumed to be the worst conflict in Starwars killed up to 10 billion, and that's just comparing human wars, the War in Heaven waged by the Necrons resulted in about 95% of galactic life being exterminated. Starwars comes nowhere close to witnessing such horror.

In all honestly, I don't see why people try to compare Starwars and 40k, Starwars vs StarTrek would be a much more fair fight, and while Starwars may be able to do a very tiny bit of damage,