Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-5.65.81.205-20131020155613/@comment-73.32.47.47-20161201060954

The most important thing to remember is always thus: "Everything is canon, nothing is true." No matter what canon you quote, chances are better than average that some OTHER book by black library contradicts it. The following is generally-accepted canon, but can easily be contradicted or modified at any time and in any narrative.

Now, killing daemons, usually possible; rarely effective. By the rules, there are several ways to flat-out kill a daemon, the first that comes to mind is a Sister of Battle can burn a fate point to banish a daemon (and for most daemons there is no save/check to avoid) and/or burn a second one to make it die, like totally for real. There are other ways, but I don't remember most of them, and this paragraph is long enough.

Amusing tangent: A fire-immune daemon can still catch fire, and by the RAW (rules-as-written) it will still freak out, scream, run around, and eventually pass out if it doesn't make the necessary "save". It will then, by the rules, burn forever and ever, accumulating infinite fatigue levels and never waking up.

Now, Why it doesn't matter: the demon will be replaced. Since The Warp is infinite, if you believe in a demon named Jimmy, and you kill a demon named Jimmy, and you then talk about the dead demon named Jimmy, a new demon named Jimmy will appear. He won't be exactly the same since Jimmy The First died, but Jimmy 2 electric boogaloo will be formed of the same warp-stuff and have most of the same mannerisms and claim to be the same Jimmy.

Tangent the second: There's a game called "Exalted" where everybody and everything gets reincarnated forever. The reincarnation process changes them for better or worse based on how they died and how they came back. Most of the gods were turned from Life goddess of Plants or Friendly Glowing Penis to Death Goddess who is literally a desert and Evil Rape Cock. One potential "win condition" or "noblebrightening" of Warhammer is killing the chaos gods and manipulating their rebirths as something basically the same but not grimdark, evil, and awful. Slaanesh is the goddess of love as well as murderfucking, you just gotta find the dials marked "evil psycho bitch" and turn them way down.

Anyhoo, time is also messed up with the creation of the chaos gods. There's a daemon lord who's basically Genghis Kahn (I forget his name) who created Khorne but also was favored by Khorne because Khorne was created a dozen millenia ago but also a few dozen million years ago.

Plus time-travel is LITERALLY a thing in the 40k-verse. Several name-level characters have done it or do it on a regular basis, What happens if someone from the 44th millenium goes back to the birth of the Old Ones and whispers the name "Malal" to the unfettered cosmos?

Ironically I was looking for a thing I have heard rumors of but no stats on. Supposedly there was a thing called a Void Grenade (not Vortex, Void) that would legit kill for real LITERALLY anything. No save, no respawn in the warp, just foof. I can't tell if it was phased out so long ago no one even remembers it or if it was really just someone misremembering Vortex Grenades.

Either way, another way to permanently get rid of Daemons is to use Vortex Grenades while in the warp, thus sending them to The Super Warp.