Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-37.152.33.225-20131111163502/@comment-74.128.152.190-20131218234308

Neithan02 wrote: got me there, the blade i thought was guilliman's bane was a shard of erebus aka part of the kinebrach blade and not the laer one.

problem: chaos corrupted laer blade, only ones who have been healed form such a wound are the likes of Horus, who was healed by the entities of Chaos after having been wounded by that the kinebrach blade.

Lion fact: he spent years alone in the chaos creature infested caliban wilderness, yeah rightß  not even Curze had such a dangerous living place as he faced predators that were not modified by chaos. Sanguinius had wings, clearly touched (so much so that he was affected physically) by chaos and yet he was one of the most steadfast and loyal Primarchs.

Lion fact: he ordered most of the Terran born Astartes of his Legion to return to  Caliban and train new ones, instead of having the veterans around as good fighting force, he chose those poepel that were fiorst and foremost loyal to him and not the emperor and who were shaped by caliban and not terra, to be at his side. Yet he sent Luther, Zahariel and 200 others back to Caliban. And like you said he sent a lot of vets to train new recruits, not a bad move at all.

sidenote:  woudl it not be in the interest of the ruinous powers to plant an agent like a primarch and get him out when the chance is best ( i love me some tzeentch in the morning)

also primarchs are not emperor, there have been several accounts where they have fought with mortals and received wounds (and taking into account that sometimes might is not even neccessary when you know the strategies, strong points and weaknesses of your opponent) Luther was, in his own right, a mighty warrior who knew the lion#s fighting in and out because they had fought together for many years and because Luther had trained the Lion. Give me at least 1 account of a Primarch (During the Great Crusade) going 1 on 1 with a mortal (that wasn't assisted by the Ruinous Powers) and receiving a near-fatal psychic wound.

Can the warp storm not be conjured by the Lion or his chaotic guardians, as to remove all those that knew the truth and make their voices unheard in the wider imperium? Supposition.

(I mean all it demands is normally a shit ton of blood, and they basiccally eliminated a world.)

and to luther forgiving the sins: well 2 sides to be read, luther was father/friend of the lion, wether one of them was loyal or not would not really be an argument here as this is only a person to person lvl and not neccessarily allegiance to the emperor or chaos involved, merely a private matter. Supposition, and like you say lends no credit to either Luther or The Lion being loyal or corrupted.

Guess we'll never know until he wakes up. Lots of questions regarding the I Legion:

What's up with the Watchers in the Dark?

Why haven't any of the Fallen attempted to slander the Dark Angels to the Imperium as a whole in order to turn them into pariahs (figuratively speaking)?

Who is Cypher really and what are his true goals?

If Russ returned and The Lion Awoke would the 2 stilled be pissed off at one another?