Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-8881468-20160114090952

Original thread http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:65017#150

86.141.22.238 wrote: So how is it that i just read a black library book where main characters totally changed the feet/foot mechanism f the humble sentinel and when they presented it too the local mechanicus, they blessed it. Total redesign....or how in the same book they use (the imperial guard that is) a type of battlesuit which was not mars/forgeworld build but allowed....or how about imperial guard/navy/tech marines making combat theatre/actual combat repairs? Every heard one say "erm boss, you got a box of part X? all ours are broke", no? Exactly, they are not all nuclear scientists type boffins but they do have a understanding of various chemical/physical laws and how to harness them with technology. It's not like there is actually a machine that just turns out 'a completed land raider etc, some design and work needs doing to get their. You takes things to extremes again.

There is indeed a large difference in those two, quite apt examples and I'd hasten to add, no proper military/etc organisation likes people to tinker. Some don't mind a range of acceptable modification been added but not tinkering. So fitting a clip on sight yeah, remodling the extractor lever of your weapon, no.

Given that we have seen images of non-spec kit on imperial vehicles all over the place and personal touches, then no, I doubt a cup holder would get you staked...adding wheels to your leman russ MBT might though lol

Regarding the LR Crusader. yeah, why don't you tell me how it was made by the Black Templars for hive clearing and not 'stumbled upon under some rubbish one day'...so that needed research.

The Stalker/Hunter etc were rediscovered STCs, but they weren't issued ASAP once found, they were sent through the proving grounds etc first.

You just have to look at what kit the Mechanicus have and how much they...repress. There is a big difference to not knowing something and saying you don't or can't do something.

I bet you're so successful in life with your attitude... anyone with a different opinion to you is not to be discounted. But if you want to be blinkard, go for it. I'll expect in a few years time when you have some life experience you'll see how unbalanced and pragmatic you are and how dogmatic your ways are. Maybe the problem is you don't actually read other peoples posts to understand what they are actually saying.

1. Name your source, there is more than 10 Imp Guard novels out there, add to that the Gaunt and Cain novels and you increase the size of the sample, if you read it, you should have the name available ;)

2. are you really just now comparing a battlefield refit for a rather mechanical problem to doing research in quantum physics or genetical engineering? (Sidenote: you think that when they get "home", that those vehicles are not going through proper reconsecration and refitting?). They ain't gonna slap some eldar anti grav plates on a leman russ to make it roadworthy again. and to your "boss, you got part x"  I actually did. boss, you got them recharge packs, ours are all done. boss you got them anti heresy pills, ours are gone ( a gaunt novel and a iron warrior one),

boss you got them parts, ours are gone: leave the vehicle behind --> "double eagle, dan abnett"

3. Just a comparison to the mechanicum.. if you know that something works and what you have to do to keep it working (oiling parts, providing fuel) does not mean you are actually able to replicate that instrument, even with availability of ressources. Otherwise the Imperium would still have wide access to jetbikes or termi armor.

We could look at the Priest/Lord/Gods of Mars novels, where the explorator vessel that is used, is so vast and includes so much tech that the mechanicum has no clue of operating or replicating and they had it for many many years and did not retroengineer anything.

4. As for the Land Raider Crusader, to quote the article: "It was originally designed during the Jerulas Crusade in 645.M39 by the Black Templars Artificer Simagus using recovered ancient techno-arcana in the long-forgotten depths of a captured Hive City." (tech arcana or archeotech is basiccally old human tech, not really research) And yes. they stumbled upon that data under some rubble, to use your words... ;)

aside from the changes only mean exchanging tech that is millennia old for tech that is millennia old. pintle mounted meltas have been a thing since the heresy, same for assault cannons or hurrican bolters.

5. yes the stalker and hunter were sent through the proving grounds first, as the mechanicum has to check wether an  stc is corrupted or in line with the teachings of the omnissiah in the first place. they are the ones who have to produce them (and yes techmarines are also followers of the machine cult). still, they are not "new" technology, they are old technology.

Putting stc data to work and checking it before maybe distributing it to production facilities is basic mechanicum procedure that only some machines like ther baal predator have not gone through (and that one is still an STC contruct) or like the glaive, are not handed out to the mechanicum) 