Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-211.26.90.117-20130630032754/@comment-211.26.90.117-20130705081825

Buffalawl wrote: Khorne is powered by killing pain and murder, any killing at all ever, no matter the reason or method. Firing a halo would kill billions if not trillions of people. All that death and destruction feeds his power whether or not the people doing the killing are his followers or not:"Consciously or not, all warrior cultures pay him homage with their acts of murder and destruction."

"Every act of killing or murder in the material universe gives Khorne power" Suffering actually works against Khorne: "their suffering actually empowers his nemesis Slaanesh."

I could quote more but I think you get the point. Not to mention war will never end because in the Realm of chaos Khorne has trapped Tuska's WAAAAAGH! into an endless war with his daemons.

If we're gonna consider Draigo canon. which I don't because autism, The god forbid he ever got near the forerunners considering you believe that they would have no presence in the warp and thus are very very very susceptable to psychic attacks. Draigo didn't do any real damage to the chaos gods. In the realm of chaos whatever he does to them, like burning nurgles gardens, is near immediately restored, the gardens quickly grew back and the burning even amused nurgle.

Chaos can corrupt AI look at the Men of Iron, infact AI susceptability to get corrupted, by chaos or other factors, is why any complex AI is banned by the Imperium. Rampancy would only further the problem. Even so since the AI have achieved sentience then psychic attacks would poop on them.

The Enslavers can't just be trapped like that. They are warp entities and to trap them you would need to trap the Warp which isn't possible because it is a dimesion, it would be like trying to trap Slipspace. If the Forerunners even had the slightest presence in the warp the enslavers could go into their souls and immediately turn them into warp portals. The Forerunners have no technology that shields them psychically and thus are susceptable to intrusion by warp entities be it enslavers or daemons.

Again precursors are lore breaking spess Jesuses they're not even worth debating.

Horus was literally one step away from a god. If he can be corrupted than anyone, save the Emprah and Malcador (the two greatest psykers humanity has ever seen and thus were the most able to protect themselves), can be corrupted.

Khorne, yes he will get powerful when all of them die at once, BUT you have to think about the long term affects, with no emotion or action to feed him then how would Khorne (As well as the other Gods) survive? The only reason why Khorne and the others are around is due to the pshycic emtions transmitted from real-space and the warp, the Forerunners are smarter then this and would know solutions that would diminish and weaken their status.

Also NEVER, EVER compare WH40K A.I. to Forerunner A.I., it is like comparing a single-cell bacteria to the Xeelee. Spacebattles.com has already concluded that Chaos has no chance against corrupting any A.I. or Being that is near Culture level or higher (Guess where the Forerunners are sitting...). The only time Rampancy is EVER found on a Forerunner A.I. is when they are under the affect of the Logic Plague created by the Precursors, the Librarians Ancilla for example has never been found with any faults for the last 10,000 years. You're literally saying that Chaos Corruption is a no limit fallacy that could corrupt Culture Mind level A.I. which is frankly ridicolous in reason. It was concluded on Spacebattles that Mendicient Bias himself could shut-down and destroy every piece of IoM technology, machinery and A.I. in just 30 Seconds. To further add more, unlike most IoM A.I. which are literally Human Brains that have been recycled, Forerunner A.I. are not only Sentient but is proposed to be even above the intelligence of the Forerunners themselves. Chaos would have no hope of even corrupting a Forerunner Ancilla, as they themselves are regulated by Metarch or Contender Class A.I. which, trust me is not going over to Chaos.

First of all Forerunners are never proven to be pshycic so therefore would be almost invisible in the Warp, second of all Forerunners are Masters of Slipspace and Dimensions. It was shown repreatedly throughout the Forerunner trilogy of Forerunners not only weaponising Slipspace, but also trapping God-Beings AKA The Primordial in a Slipspace Prison within Multiple Slipspace Prisons. Also Forerunner shield worlds like Onyx has been shown to literally revealed to be a 200 million Km disk ring with its own artificial star That Have Been TRAPPED in a Slipspace Bubble no bigger than a Football. So your arguement for the Forerunners not having the powers of trapping Dimensions is invalid. The Forerunners would just look at the Warp as just a curiosity and move on, they wouldn't notice the Enslavers as they will be trapped and destroyed by several layers of Slipspace, by what counts as Gaurd Duty for a Forerunner Janiter bot. And how may times do I have to repear myself? even if something from the Warp possess a Forerunner (Extremley unlikley), his own personal ancilla as well as anything near him would take action and restrain said Forerunner instantly.

Again for Horus, here is the difference between the IoM and the Forerunners, the Forerunners unlike the IoM is so heavily restricted and securitised that every move and discision a single Forerunner make, is uploaded and stored in their memmory banks. This is the primary reason why Chaos would have such a futile attempt at corruptig a Forerunner, it dosen't matter if Horus was a god or not, if a civilization that is so heavily bent on Big Brother and have the power to notice even the slightest change of an individual, then expect Chaos to have a difficult time of even converting a Forerunner child.