Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-37.152.33.225-20131108174133/@comment-192.138.82.196-20140916195950

Neithan02 wrote: 74.128.152.190 wrote: Neithan02 wrote: honey you know that there si one thing as having an opinion and the freedom to share it, you might not agree yet you are ionn o position to silence me, nor does that action increase the strength of any argument that you have, the opposite is the case ;)

yeah Luther and Astelan corrupted the astartes.. rly  chaos beasts roamed caliban after the purge.without astelan and luther the DA on caliban would have been in open revolt decades before

There you go again with the assumptions.

There were chaos beasts on Caliban. SO WHAT!?

Does having Chaos corrupted animals nearby somehow cause corruption in Astartes or normal humans?

If that were the case why weren't the inhabitants of Caliban already Chaos Cultists before El'Jonson came?

Why is the population of Cadia (which is right next door to the largest and most persistent warp storm) not constantly in open revolt because of chaos corruption?

Proximity to Chaos does not automatically cause corruption.

In fact, in several instances (such as the Exorcists and Cadian Troops), it makes men stronger. well let me make sure to explain my assumptions

lion commands the order but luther gets every knight on the planet behind the lion in the plan to kill off all beasts. imperium changes old ways and power structures on caliban, many parties are worse off and blame the lion for that, as he is the one who brought the change upon them and is now the de facto ruler of caliban. he gets a lot of his reputation from having hunted the chaotic beasts to extinction. so now let us see

lion is off planet, all of caliban is directed towards wartime production aka recruits and gear for the crusade. lion has not been on caliban for decades. unsatisfied parties have an easier chance to influence people withouit any DA members on the planet. now the chaotic beasts appear once again.. so yeah like lion got his war, became ruler of the planet then got his legion, left the planet and it's inhabitants alone, without having done his job.

The Dark Angels on Caliban, would have succumbed to something before long if not the 2nd in command of the whole legion, and a man that all of them trusted, kep them inl line, luther kept the morale up for 50 years, 50 years without word from the lion, 50 years without any chance for glory or battle (which is kinda the reason for the existence of astartes, do you not agree). now what happens if you leave several hundred battlemachines without good leadership in a backwater and then they face the threat of never going into battlee again (according to the news they received, the crusade was coming to a close)

next argument: chaotic taint runs deep and can cause many things, it does not have to be cultists, it merely is one sign of a deeper running problem and the corruption can reveal itself wearing many faces.

also: '''you wanna compare astronomic distances to fang and claw reach or did you also forget the cadian pylons? also: is the warp strom ON Cadia?'''

Thread Necro!!

Yes, let's talk about astronomic distances when it comes to warp influence. Specifically, Cadian citizens that have a high prevalence for violet eyes due to Cadia's proximity.

"The fact that this new line of Cadians of untainted Imperial stock also sport violet eyes lends credence to the theory that the proximity of the Eye of Terror causes this mutation." ref:

So distances are negligible when it comes to influence of the warp. The cadian pylons also do nothing when it comes to this very specific mutation.

We also know that things like the Eye of Terror can affect a Primarch (specifically Perturabo) even from longer distances just by being seen.

"For the rest of Perturabo’s life, this maelstrom would continue to look down upon the Primarch; making him feel as if it judged and measured his worth and spied on his every movement. A life lived beneath its cold scrutiny made him brooding and loath to offer his trust, ever-watchful and aware of its baleful glare." ref:

So the argument about their being Chaos corrupted beasts on Caliban at the time of El'Jonson's landing, childhood and upbringing is practically irrelevant. Though the ebb and flow of the warp is a fickle thing and never absolute as is its (un?)nature. I have no doubt that Chaos has influenced, corrupted, changed and screwed up lots of stuff throughout the WH40K universe and timeline, but The Lion? The evidence leans the other direction, IMHO.