Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-24405075-20150318130307/@comment-8881468-20150322143913

@ Pariah

the Pariah gene is first and foremost a mutaiton of the human genome and humans were not around back then ( read the first sentence on "pariah gene")

also a problem. psychic abilkities were actually introduced into the eldar and orks to specificcally fight the war in heaven, aka: the c'tan cannot be blanks because psychic abilities would not work against them.

to quote the article on the old ones:

"Knowing that the C'tan were vulnerable to psychic energies, the Old Ones designed their warrior species to be psychically linked to the Immaterium. Unfortunately, the raw emotions and collective unconscious beliefs of these new races altered the psychically-active Immaterium, creating their Gods and the daemons of Chaos."

next problem: how many billions of humans are not psykers, yet produce emotions and so on, that feed the warp?

@ Primarchs: it is stated by leman russ that he has annihilated a legion and his primarch before in Prospero burns"

in fear to tread, i think, it is said that one legion was annihilated because of mutation (or was it another book, coz sanguinius tells nobody about the red thiurst that ravages his legion because he fears the same destiny)

erioch and deathwatch are post scouring things, the annihilation of 2 legions is actually  50+ years prior to the battles at isstvaan, when Empi still had 18 legions abnd loyal primarchs.

in deliverance lost, corax (primarch number 19) meets the emperor and empi tells him that he has 17 brothers.. corax asks how, coz he is number 19.. Empi's face becomes bleak and filled with sorrow "this is a conversation for another day"

if they were hidden somewhere, he would still have 19 brothers and not 17.

from "vulcan lives"

"I am [troubled] Artellus. Very much so. None of us wants another sanction, another empty pillar in the great investiary, another brother's name excised from all record. It is shame enough to bear the grief for two. I have no wish to add to it, but what choice do I have?"[28]

In the novel The Unremembered Empire, on Maccrage there is table and 21 chairs,built by the Primarch Roboute Guilliman himself for his brothers and the Emperor of Mankind.The chair backs were draped with banners,while the great seat,at the head of the long table was draped with pennant of Terra.Two of the other pennants were plain and made of bleached,un-dyed cloth.The other eighteen were the banners of Legiones Astartes.Also, Primarch Lion El'Jonson says ,that two of the Primarchs will never come,to which Guilliman replies: "Yet their absence must be marked.Places must be left for them.That is simply honor."[31]

even if we take only the rumor of ultramarines legion swelling in ranks and think of them as marines form the 2 missing legions, that means the primarchs are gone/dead and the innocent marines live on (which in itself is only a bad rumor and not really supported by facts)

@ Empi reborn:

the emperor reborn took over 30000 years of watching mankind before he got involved (boprn what 6000 bc in anatolia and then unification starts in m30 -- long stretch). a primarch is still a far lesser being than  the emperor and the emperor was pretty much detached from humanity by his experience

also books will not conveigh experience made. they offer data yet that will not mean you have the experience that somebody who writes down sth, according to their own emphasis and focus, will have had prior to writing.