Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-37.152.33.225-20131108174133/@comment-74.128.152.190-20140121220930

Neithan02 wrote: what negates point 1? oh wait sure being a primarch means you strangle a lion as an infant, i had forgotten. ... up so far you have not brought up facts but merely opinions. sidenote: even if you are aware of what to do, as a child your muscles will not be able to  move as you want them to, you learn by repitition ;)  be what they may, primarchs are merely toddlers. vulnerable sentient beings not apable of rly defensing themselves

'''You are basing your opinion on an assumption. You assume that just because there were Chaos tainted animals on Caliban that El'Jonson encountered them before growing to an age where he could, as you say, deal with them.'''

'''Chaos tainted animals aside, how does any infant survive being alone? Don't they kind of need to eat or something?'''

'''Angron, apparently before he became a teenager, took out a squad of Eldar. El'Jonson, arguably at his peak, was a better warrior/swordsman than all but Sanguinius and Horus. So, in that, there is no reason to suspect that El'Jonson was incapable of handling himself without assistance from the ruinous powers.'''

3. is also only a fact, taking in the culture of caliban, which should have shaped the lion, meaning that the old and unable  or injured become teachers is not regarded and you take a force  that could take a planet away form the crusade.. they sent new recruits and material for 50 years and receive no calls, not communication, no nothing.

I don't know where you get your information on how many troops he sent back to Caliban and why but here you go:

'"The Lion was granted command of the 4th Expeditionary Fleet of the Great Crusade in orbit of the planet Sarosh. The Saroshi had recently expressed their interest in becoming part of the Imperium, and the Imperials were eager to allow them in, believing that these people seemed to possess the same secular beliefs as they did in the Imperial Truth. But the Saroshi secretly worshipped Chaotic entities in the Warp they called the Melachim'' ("kings" in ancient Hebrew) who may have been the Ruinous Powers or their lesser daemonic servants. They saw the atheistic stance of the Emperor's Imperial Truth as nothing less than a philosophy of pure evil since it would deny the very existence of their gods. The Lord High Exacter, the leader of the Saroshi bureaucracy, denounced El'Jonson and the Emperor to their faces aboard the Dark Angels' flagship. El'Jonson responded by impaling the Lion Sword through the fanatical Saroshi leader's body. However, unknown to the Dark Angels the Saroshi had also brought a nuclear device aboard their shuttle, intending to assassinate the fleet's entire command structure, including Jonson; however, Luther and a junior Librarian named Zahariel managed to eject the shuttle into space, causing only minor damage to the flagship. After this incident, Luther, Zahariel and two hundred other Dark Angels were sent back to Caliban in disgrace for allowing an enemy to get a nuclear device aboard the Primarch's flagship to oversee the recruitment of new Space Marines into the Legion from the Calibanite population."'''

You've got some confirmation bias going right now Neithan02. If you add it all up objectively, and there is evidence both ways, you can see that there is more evidence suggesting El'Jonson was and still is loyal.