Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-92.97.77.182-20130321145115/@comment-18016240-20140723094340

72.93.39.135 wrote: SanguiniousLives. Let me brake down your post. First on them having been the most dangerous, then them in the modern setting, then opinions.

1- What makes you say that because they don't charge strait on, and were/are masters of asymmetric warfare, they were the most dangerous??? It is understood that the Luna Wolves were the most effective (dangerous) conquerors in the Great Crusade with Horus's "sever the head and the body will fall" playbook (Not ALegion). The Night Lords, World Eaters, B Angels, and Space Wolves were considered the most dangerous in close quarters (Not ALegion). Thousand sons in terms of psychers (Not ALegio). The Alpha Legion did not have a quarter the fire power or fleet the Iron Warriors or Ultramarines had. So they weren't the most dangerous in that regard either. Also they never were high in number (true we don't know their exact number) but they didn't come close to the 4 (Ult, IrW, LunW, WrdB). So again they were not able to overwhelm anybody like these other legions were, again not the most dangerous.

Conclusion- The Alpha Legion was not the most dangerous legion, to say they were the most dangerous is to say that they were the most powerful or the most dreaded, they were neither. To argue this further you must bring reason, and compare and contrast skills above a 6th grade level.

2- In the modern setting Abaddon is the most feared Chaos Lord. He is Warmaster and he alone can command all the traitors. The Black Legion is the largest and most powerful, if the Alpha legion was larger we would know it. In the 13th Black Crusade the Alpha Legion answered his call and were under his authority. You can say they were pretending. But they took orders from Black Legion no questions asked and you know it. Some Alpha Legion may think they are clever and are playing both sides but we have nothing to show for their successes (exept you talking). In any remote success they were piggybacking on Black Legion, Word Bearers, or Death Guard (Varks). They can't even hold a home world let alone take down the Imperium, which you suggest they can do at any time! What remains of the Legion today is hard to say. Their numbers should be low even after a couple of boosts from stolen gene seed. Some original Legionaries may still regard themselves as loyal thus them staying away from the Eye of Terror, but the new marines likely see themselves as servants of Chaos. Some collaborations with the Word Bearers would confirm that there are Alpha Legion, original Legionaries too, that are frankly Chaos now. A schism might be taking place.

Conclusion: Alpha Legion is the weakest traitor legion today. If not the smallest still the weakest. Black Legion is by far the mightiest, second place is a close call between I Warriors and W Bearers, then others, then Alpha Legion.Whatever the case they are likely going fast extinct due to these complications (thus cultist horde) and being leaderless.

3- I do not regard this legion highly. You can like then that's fine just don't put them in a place were they are not. Besides they are space marines. Do their "work quietly" and want to be underestimated? This does not make them stronger and their current standing in the galaxy shows that it had not delivered results, thus not smarter. They are cowardly in my opinion. Plus how can you say they were more dangerous that the World Eaters. Say that to me with a straight face.

Argue with me with reason and with canon!

1. You seem to judge a legion's effectiveness solely on the basis of their firepower, which is to put simply a very bad idea tactically speaking. There have been multiple groups who were capable of holding their own against a superiorly armed enemy and even achieve a degree of success. For instance there were the Vietcong, who were capable of facing off against the US and South Vietnam with more primitive equipment and still were able to deal the US it's first and perhaps only actual defeat in terms of an actual war.

Also, a little uncalled for when you compared his reasoning to that of a 6th grader, next thing we know you'll start calling people doo doo heads.

2. The Alpha Legion specializes in deception and intrigue, the manipulating of information and the minds of other people (even other astartes), why would a legion like that choose to live on a planet or make itself known like the Black Legion and other such legions do? To make themselves a nice target for the Imperium or other forces?

You also seem to forget that the Alpha Legion rarely move as a massive army, when they did it was typically to finish off an enemy rather than to fight an entire battle out with them. For the most part they work behind the scenes, sending out terrorists and agents to sabotage the enemy.

3. While your obvious bias towards the various legions are abundantly clear throughout your... argument, this one is literally nothing *but* your biased opinions regarding what legions are good and what aren't. This paragraph undermines your statement since it is obvious that you were or perhaps are foul tempered and allow your emotions to run wild when debating, which is never a good thing.

tl;dr you're madder than khorne, so calm the warp down.