Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-6767898-20130409140103/@comment-6078851-20130415163541

first up you'll get absolutely no arguement from me on the effects of short term memory loss whatsoev........what was i saying? :P

i wasn't saying that if one thing is less harmful than the other then it's ok. i was merely making the point that the industrial aspect of our societies are far more harmful, to people and the environment, than any recreational drug use, and marijuana can be eaten rather than smoked - no smoke, so does that make it healthy?

before anyone can make an issue of the potential harm recreational drug use causes we need to address the lethal industrial pollution that is caused, in the name of 'productivity and progress'. i would direct anyone who hasn't seen the documentary 'gasland' to do so, that's a great example of what is done in the name of 'productivity and progress'. as for the reduction of c.o.2 emissions, yeah chimmnies, scrubbers and exhausts remove harmful substances from the vicinity of people and goes, oh yeah.......into the atmosphere, where it becomes part of the air that we all breath! or into the ground that sustains all our food sources! yeah that's sooo responsible. the kyoto agreement intended to have global emissions reduced to a particular percentage by 2015 (i could be wrong on that date). not only are global emissions nowhere near the percentage aimed for but c.o.2 emissions are higher than ever, the two worst offenders in this instance being china and the u.s.

marshall you say you workout six times a week. now i have no idea about you're intensity, frequency and goals when working out but it sounds like you may have a fitness addiction. i use the term 'fitness' loosely because excessive exercise can be very damaging to joints and joint cartilidge, and spinal cartilidge, this has been proven. i used to frequent the gym myself about 4-5 times a week (after i was a drug user). it was mainly as a defence against being bullied, which worked, and after the bullying stopped i continued to do weights for a few years because there is an addictive element - the addictive element for me was being 5ft 11' and 16 stone of muscle. i haven't done weights for a couple of years as it was never about stress relief but i still regularly play basketball, volleyball and badminton simply because sport is fun.

unless you actually have experience with recreational drugs then you can't say "do this or that as a substitute" because you have no data to compare the substitute with. as awesome as language is it can't convey experience.

"no productivity or meaningful action is a waste." i find this statement to be very offensive. i apologise if it's not meant as such but that statement seems to me to be quite arrogant and self-centred. productivity and meaningful action are completely subjective. the 'importance' of productivity and meaningful action has the same basis as the 'importance' of money - it's drilled into us from birth onwards, by government, companies and any authoritarian body, to be "productive members of society, in the name of progress". but all this productivity simply perpetrates our corrupt systems of governance and expands the subjugation of our species, and progress, to my way of thinking, isn't something that is based on making or accumulating money, but should be about caring for the people of this world - first and foremost. as we all can see this totally isn't the case. there is no meaning or purpose to life other that what individuals decide has meaning and purpose, but the masses are quite happy to be 'told' what has meaning and purpose. there's also the issue of 'motivation' - pretty much all the major problems civilisations have suffered have been because of those who are very motivated. "show me someone who lacks motivation and i'll show you someone who isn't making trouble." the late, great, george carlin.

i don't believe there is any meaning to life and i don't have the slightest problem with that, and my only purpose in life is to try and enjoy it to the best of my abilities as consistently as possible before death. death, by the way, which each and every one us will succumb to regardless of health or fitness and my health is mine to with as i choose, so i ask you this - is it preferable to be in the best physical shape possible whilst having mental health issues or be in extremely bad physical shape but mentally sound and happy? to me this isn't a valid question, mental health should always come first.

merc, it upsets me that you are one of the people who are willing to give up personal freedoms because of the imbeciles. the town i live in has a pretty severe problem with heroin abuse (one of the few things, incidentally, i've never tried nor want to try). the problem isn't specifically the heroin though: it's the imbeciles who abuse, and about half the people i went to school with are either heroin addicts or dead from overdose because of two things, 1) the illegality - it's unregulated so it can vary massively in purity and strength, there are a few people in this country who are prescribed medical grade heroin who live regular, responsible lives and are 'productive' members of society with 40+ hour a week jobs. and 2) they're imbeciles.

as has earlier been said, the imbeciles are the main support mechanism for government and commerce so obviously these institutions want to make sure these people live long and 'productive' lives (which is why health and safety stickers continue to pop up everywhere) but i don't agree with nanny-stateism. i firmly believe in 'survival of the fittest' in terms of the evolutionary and intellectual 'progress' of our species. if someone can't survive, in society, on their own wit without a nanny-state then i will take the chance of them causing an accident that harms me over losing personal freedoms (however petty they may be). and by imbeciles i refer to those who aren't mentally retarded but act as though they are. how our societies care for those who are mentally, or physically, handicapped should be a good thing, if it weren't for the fact that those institutions are usually controlled by the pharmaceuticals in the pursuit of profit.

regarding the volume of our population. i know that we won't keep reproducing indefinitely, i was just being dramatic. while there may be enough food to feed everyone adequately, personally i don't think that's the case. the intensive farming that's being carried out across the world is reducing the amount of arable land that there is, and although it's a finite supply of arable land it can be used sustainably, the problem is that there isn't many places on earth that are using it sustainably. i genuinely believe that there will be global uprisings and mass riots and violence within the next century when the food starts to run out causing starvation on a worldwide scale. unless something is done to regulate our reproduction, and very soon.

i'm aware that i may sound callous and selfish, and i openly admit to selfishness - it's a characteristic trait of humanity, wether people admit it or not, but it may help to know that i'm a misanthrope. i deeply, deeply hate what our race has done, and is still doing, to each other and the world itself in the name of 'productivity and progress', always at the behest of powerful, motivated, greedy and idiotic leaders. yes we are capable of great acts of love and kindness, lofty ideals and unshakeable optimism, but the horrors that we have subjected the world to far outweighs any and every collective good that's been done. if the warp really existed i truly think we would have created chaos gods by now. understand though that i don't hate people, or hate peoples (i have no true malice in me which i can say is definitely aided by my chosen lifestyle), i, and my circle of close friends, are among the most tolerant people i know of and yet, i've found that the older i get the more intolerant i'm becoming towards the intolerant.

ok i just noticed how long this post is so i'll stop.