Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-108.51.155.155-20131208175717/@comment-28917471-20140715163907

SanguiniousLives wrote: Abbadon IS a failure and a deluded fool - he thinks he is better than Horus - and though he managed to unify many of various chaos hosts under his banner the alliance is shaky at best, many of them there because the chaos gods told them too than for any other reason, and he doesn't know how to use them properly. Blackheart on the other hand is a brilliant organizer and has united a good many chaos hosts under his banner without the warmaster title and uses what he has brilliantly, sometimes he fails but not usually. Blackheart wants the warmaster title and chaos knows he is far more dangerous a commander than Abbadon but he is less controllable which is the only reason he hasn't been given the title already. Umm... no... there is so much wrong about what you have said, but let's go through this, ok?

Abou being a failure and a delueded fool:

failure? - maybe a little bit, deluded fool? - kinda far from that. Abbadon was able to withstand the corruption of chaos, meaning that he is not fully their slave. he uses the powers of chaos in his favour. he knows when to draw upon their power and when to stop.

About being a failure: Like I said, maybe a little bit... maybe abbadon had hoped that every time he would launch his black crusade it would be his last and only, but no... yet again, each of those crusades have become a steping stones towards abbadon's final goal. throughs his black crusades he tests the imperium's defences, gain more resources for war, gain new artefacts(blackstone fortresses) and pretty much learns more things.

Better then Horus? Maybe. He was able to unite Horus' Legion back together, and even gain the support of the other traitor legions. Also, abbadon sees himself as a figure who will end what Horus had started. He has a lot of arrogance, but he deserves all the credit... so yea...

A shaky alliance? His whole Black Legion is under his control, none of his chaos lords, sorcerers, chaos champions, daemon princes or daemon hosts would dare to betray him, because they know what will happen if they even try that...

But if you mean that he doesn't control the other traitor legions, then yea... sure... he can control them during the black crusades, but besides that no...

Chaos gods told them to join abbadon? In some cases maybe... but mostly no... Abbadon have slaughtered a lot of chaos lords who were once belonged to the luna wolves, and took command of their troops. He done the same with the other warbands, who had no connection. Thus he had gained a lot of power over a hundreds chaos warbands, and added them to his Black Legion.

Trust me.. he KNOWS how to use those warbands properly... he has a ten thousands years of experience of Warfare, he is a good commander.

About blackheart, I can't argue with you about him, but maybe you're right about Lufgt.

He wants the title of the Warmaster and the chaos gods knows he is far more dangerous? Mmmmm nope... Huron has his little empire in the maelstorm, why would he care about Abbadon in the first place? Far more dangerous? No... i'm pretty sure that Abbadon is far more malignant then Huron... considering how much ruin have he brought upon imperium.

But you may be right about being "less controllable", actually... maybe not... like I said in the first paragraph, Abbadon is not a slave of chaos, he sort of has a business with them, he doesn't seek to be their favourte puppet, you know what I mean?