Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-7699236-20150618150629/@comment-8881468-20151221190818

you seem to forget one thing, nobody gives a damn about the opinion of those using anonymity. ips can be changed and honestly, there are those that get respect from me, as I have mentioned earlier, respect is earned, not given for free.

Saying that you "need to read up on something" is generally the polite form of:" here, check out this information, which negates your claims."

aka: if you want to have a discussion, be able to participate in the discourse by actually being aware of the information that exists on the topic.

Mind if I point out the thing that you do not seem to understand. with the "astartes are not special units".

The Codex Astartes, the all encompassing treatise on warfare, tactics and logistics, which is the basis of training for most of the space marines, regardless of genetic heritage or  chapter specialisation), is a work written and used after the battles in the Isstvaan system. it is actually a work Guilliman started AFTER forming the Imperiumn Secundus, as he sees the need to find  a way to integrate various groups of people from the different legions (who tended to have their singular modus operandi) into a unified command structure and have poeple from various legions serving together in the same units (want me to quote directly from the unremembered empire again?)

The missing legions were  written out of the imperium 30-40 years before the heresy, decades before the codex astartes, decades before Guilliman saw the need to actually include a unifying strategy concept for different legions under one banner. Taking in several thousand astartes from another legion into his own would have demanded such a step decades earlier.... common sense is key, aside from awareness of information.

The examples that I have given, of astartes doing various jobs are all POST 2nd founding and the application of the codex. they are all aware of that because it has been part of their schooling. They might be, in some cases" used as special forces or elite troops, yet they will be able to function in different positions, which means that they are, even when they have just received their first power armour) they will have years of experience in the field as scouts and will have the training and acument (aside from better mental facilities) than any standard human, That still applies to dudes like Luther or Kor Phaeron or any other genhanced person (see also descent of angels when Zahariel talks about Zar Hadariel)

do not mix 30k and 40k.. quite different things and stories.

as for the "super astartes" you mean the madmen? .. normal astartes had nearly killed guilliman., hey: Kor Phaeron had nearly killed guilliman, only because he gloated instead of  stabbing him (clichee supervillain type of thing) he failed. a primarch can be killed by exposing him to the void and tons of other things.. primarchs are, by far, not invincible and can be killed by somehting as simple as a bolt round ( something, which unmodified humans can axctually fire)... that feat seems pretty empty.

And let us not forget lovely Curze, who was killed by a callidus assassin, read up on their  capabilities, you will not really find genetic enhancement in there. You will find training and polymorphine and flexicartillage.