Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20141214213749/@comment-108.198.100.127-20151218051259

Oden Criteria wrote: People don’t have a lot of faith in Star Wars around here! *looks around* Oh yeah. Anyway, these are some of the arguments that could be used to counter what has been said here. Note that these are not necessarily my opinions, so don’t get too enragedJ.

First off, let’s assume that the battle is between the Republic during the Clone Wars era and the Imperium of Mankind. Naturally, the Imperium commands a lot more troops, but think about how long it would take to actually bring that might to bear upon the much more nimble Star Wars forces. There are cases where it has taken months, years, or even decades for the Imperium to get an effective Imperial Guard campaign running. That leaves the Space Marines as the “quick-response team” to hold fight against the Republic. I think we can all agree that Space Marines are better man for man than clones. However, I believe that the clones and their Jedi generals would be able to outmaneuver the Space Marines and destroy them piece by piece. Don’t get me wrong, I know that Space Marines are capable of tactical genius, but they have the unfortunate tendency to split their troops into smaller groups, making them easier to grind down.

Now, we come to the problem of Jedi. Space Marines are not the equivalent of Jedi. They may be strong and well armored, but they lack THE MYSTICAL POWER OF THE FORCE!!! Psykers, on the other hand, have Force-equivalent powers, but are too restricted by the laws of the Imperium to truly be a huge threat. Most of them are expended feeding the Golden Throne anyway J. What if there were Space Marine Psykers… oh wait, Grey Knights. These dudes would probably be pretty even with, or perhaps more powerful than most Jedi. However, their heavy armor would mean that they are far less nimble than their Jedi counterparts, making them easier to outmaneuver and defeat. The other big threat to Jedi, assuming that the Force and the Warp are fairly similar constructs (Light side and Dark side, Order and Chaos), would be psychic blanks, and more specifically, Culexus Assassins. However, these people are fortunately very few in number. On a completely different note, power sword vs. lightsaber battles would be pretty cool.

Finally, we come to the plethora of war machines available to both sides. The Imperium has Titans that are able to ravage entire continents, along with massive tanks boasting 9 separate weapon systems and starships that measure multiple miles in length. The Republic has only AT-TE walkers and Star Destroyers (if they were called that in Republic times), which are considerably smaller than their Imperium counterparts. However, I think that Jedi would offset the Imperium’s massive advantage in firepower. Emperor-class Titan threatening a Republic position? Send in Obi-wan and Anakin, who will promptly infiltrate the Titan, kill everyone inside, and then set the reactor to self-destruct. As for space combat, the much more nimble fighters of the Republic would outmaneuver the Imperium’s own fighters and perform bombing runs on the very large and slow Imperium capitol ships. Not sure how much of an effect that would have, but it has to count for something.

Once again, these are not necessarily my opinions, just what I think could be used to counter “Imperium would win” arguments. I believe that the Imperium has an innate advantage in that it has been at war constantly for the last 10,000 years, and is thusly very experienced, while the Republic is comparatively new to war. I know that my arguments have many holes in them, but I hope that some of you will see that Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40k is not an entirely one-sided fight.



Lemme learn you a thing or two here, first and foremost, a lone Space Marine is likely twice as capable as a Jedi and or Sith. I reference the Eldar here as my citation. Eldar are comprable to Jedi, with large numbers of indviduals with psychic powers, extreme agility, and even the powers of forsight. Even with the edge of speed, the Eldar, with their millenia of training in honing their paths of war and eldritch tech, can still die in droves vs Space Marines. You remark that Marines split their forces up, which makes them easier to take down peicemeal, this is flat out false. Marines, like Wolves, strike in organized packs with efficency and speed. A Squad of Marines, which is ten men, can take over a planet given time, and can litterally change the course of a war on their own. Also, Jedi force powers are usually limited to abilities that Space Marines are shown time and time again to shrug off. Force Lighting? Pfft, its nothing comparied to Warp Lighting which rends at the very SOUL of a being. Force Push? Good luck moving half a ton of angry Power Armor as it unleashes a hail of bolter rounds, which might be considerably more difficult to block as they are explosive rounds. Sure, blaster bolts bounce away, but have a bolter round airburst an arms length from your lightly armored, robed body? Not a fun day. Now this is not to say Jedi or Sith are worthless, far from it, they could stand and fight for a while, but note that Jedi and Sith seldom take to the field in large numbers. Even in the clone wars era, the largest single deployment of Jedi we see is on Genoisis, and that would have been easily defeated were it not for the Clones. Clones could fight, but Space Marines have managed to annhilate much harder foes. Jedi only seem to exist in the role of general for the rest of the war, meaning that they are spread much thinner and are even MORE succeptable to being slain outright by Space Marines and or elite Imperial Assassins.