Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20150511012802/@comment-8881468-20150515205427

86.174.46.239 wrote: Neithan02  you talk utter crap at times...

How do you know that their is 'no chance of upward social mobility', you 100% can not say this as, yet again, a definative. On the scale of many millions of worlds, trillions of people, then none have had working class parents then middle class kids etc, their are still businesses in 40K, there are still so called 'civilised worlds' and even 'fuedal worlds' etc will have mobility...even if that is just a wood cutters son been trained as a blacksmith (as no kids themself), and his mate in the village who is the son of a chandler becoming a space marine or imperial guard officer...mobility indeed.

So all jobs are hereditary, is that what you are say? I doubt it, which leaves options for job applications and movement between 'caste/classes' etc You  reply to answers like a lefty child...do you actually work or live in a real world?

In a galaxy of many millions of worlds, can you name them all that are 'civilised worlds' or all the 'death worlds'? No, exactly, don't be simple.

Nemesis was 30k yes, but it's an example of how it's not all hive worlds etc People do still shop, still buy stuff, have cars etc...all? of course not, some? sure, all of them privledged? of course not, just depends.

If live were the utter living hells you speak of, why would people fight so hard or much, reglion would only go so far, people would still need some nice bits in life. I was absent for several days and can only just now reply ;) but hey let us get to it.

You may doubt my arguments but as long as you cannot support your "doubts" with facts, all you have is an unsupported opinion.. you can voice it, yet as there is next to no supporting evidence,it has no real value as an argument.

I merely apply the information that the fluff has to offer on the matter at hand. It is pretty unwise of somebody to try the argument ad hominem, it only shows that you got no argument to start with.

Feudal worlds.. okay let us see how you grasp a social society in feudalism. Feudalism means that you have a distinction between workers, clergy and aristocracy. Please name the common way of upward social mobility in such a predestined society.

Your attempt at a counterargument is very, very situational and by far not the norm and you fail to recognise that the farmer's son may learn a trade, yet he will not go past the class boundary, he will not become aristocracy and if he joins the clergy, he will loose all his worldly belongings (at least if we apply a christian way of doing this)

and not really be able to pass on any form of advantage to his descendants (if he has any prior to joining the clergy). We could go into the detail of people giving away their 2nd or 3rd child to the church as example, however: could those pass on anyhting, imrpove anyhting for their family, doubteable (and please do not try to go all Ken Follet on us).

You want to take the Space Marines as example, orly, please show me any bias towards "white collar" working in any of the choosing of aspirants.

They prefare people either chosen at birth --> "perfect genes"

or they take those hardy people that survive tests of environmental exposure or simple trial by combat, aka they favor fighters and fighting people. ( should I really start listing the Chapters that use such programs? (even if we take f.e. the smurfs, they use a bias geared towards privileged people.)

the only place that actually allows for upward social mobility based on meritocracy to some extent, is Ultramar and some worlds that egalise their people like Krieg or Cadia (where your life is pretty much: go fight anjd die for the imperium)

But hey let us move to the Imperial Guard:

Levy on a Feudal World and you doubt that aristocracy will take the officer slots? Levy on a civilised world will go through PDF and take take officers from there.

Heck even if we take Gaunt's Ghosts, those people were made officer that had gained experience in leading men prior to joining the regiment, take Rawne and the PDF or Kolea or Daur. Heck take the whole frigging >Comissariate: tell kids their parents died as heroes, educate and indoctrinate them and then let them loose on the Navy and Guard.

You wanna go all Rogue Trader here? the charter is inherited ( arbites novel "legacy").

Thje basic problem stays the same: In w40k Planetside Production is always geared towards the war effort in some way, providing material directly or indirectly to the war machine, the war machine is also the one and only thing that counts, as we see in tithes of men, press ganging and so on. We also see that the imperium will genewrally focus planets into that scheme and take whatever it can from a planet.

Take the Feudal Knight worlds that supply raw material and food. Take the hive worlds that supply men and products, take the forge worlds and their output. Take Death worlds, which are used as training grounds (Tallarn,Krieg,Cadia,catachan,fenris,Cretacia and so on.