Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-211.26.90.25-20130827133032/@comment-203.134.114.77-20131019082959

Neithan02 wrote: then let make make this nice and simple for you ;) as I doubt you have understood my point thus far.

to quote you"And how was I making assumptions exactly? all I said was that the Bolter fires a explosive rocket with a force of a 20mm grenade, and because it is Diamantine-tipped, it could penetrate the armor of an Astartes hence why Bolts are always known for their high AP nature for a small-arm, both in fluff and crunch."

What are the phsyical and chemical properties of "Diamantine", "Ceramite" or "Plasteel"? Oh wait, we don't have any definite data on that, no basis for calculations and so on, as we don't really know what they are, how they are produced or how thick the material of the armor actually is.--> aka what resistance do you have to work against/penetrate?

How big is the load of the propellant used in what type of cartridge, what of muzzle velocity is achieved? What type of propellant is used, how quickly does it burn/what kind of force do both charges generate, what is the impact speed of the projectile, how big is it, how much does it weigh?--> what is the force you generate on impact?

Just to give you some small insight: nowadays you have f.e.

Gunpowder Based stuff, Cordite,Ballistite, Smokeless Powders, Nitrocellulose based propellants, Composite Propellants, depending on form of the propellant, amount of it, length of the barrel and so on, you will have different speeds, whcih will also be modified by the form of the projectile, rifling yay or nay and some other effects. many of those things are not included.

"Depleted Deuterium Core "

you really wanna use that, sorry to inform you but Deuterium is an isotope of Hydrogen, aka: a not very dense but let's do some good old calculating and comparing ;)

Melting Point of deuterium is at -254,6 °C

The gas density is at ~ 2.5 kg/m3

For comparison reasons: depleted Uranium (Uran 235) has a density of ~ 19,1 g/cm3

So let me do some quick calculation, a m³ is 100³ cm which makes 1 m³ =1000000 cm³

so we have a density ffor depleted uranium of 19100 kg/m³  if I did this correctly now ^^

I wonder where you wanna go with crunch as you have no real basis for data ;)

Would you please be so kind as to look into a physics book and fill in the variables into the calculations for f.e. e= mc²

Do I really have to continue or is your reluctance to read and use the sources and your head really that big?

You have no definite data and thus can only make assumptions. the problem is that you don#t even seem to get that. You could of at least clarified it a bit better buddy, since by the time I came here this morning, Shas already deleted half of the replies while I was snoozing so I was a bit startled when you said "my statement was, and still is: you cannot make any assumptions as you do not know anything about the material and situation." ;)

But now I know what you were actually complaining about the problem of the actual strength of the Diamantine tip along wih the strength of Astartes power armor de-buckle. You had a valid counter-arguement so I receed this point...buddy. ;)

[Darth Grunt]