Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-25618639-20141214213749/@comment-14745711-20161220224830

Umm,nope. Clone's come from very limited sources, and take years to mature into full on soldiers. Plus, super soldiers? Not really. Yes they are porabably the peak of military discipline, conditioning and efficiency, but a Space Marine is so much more than that.

It is also wrong to think of a Space Marine as immobile. Admittedly they're not gonna be doing a back flip, but they would actually have the capacity to dodged light sabre attacks. I would still agree that in a one on one a Jedi would beat an astartes, but it would be close, as power armour would be able to take several lightsaber hits before it gives. Overall though the SMs win however, as in their hay day the Jedi numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Crude estimates for the Space Marines put their numbers at at least a million (that's ignoring factors like the Black Templar and the Space Wolves).

And on a side note the Empire didn't conquer the galaxy per se, they more took it over in a military coup of sorts. This wasn't very hard once the Jedi were out the way, as the Clones represented the only real army left in the galaxy and they were unflinchingly loyal to Palpatine. And the Empire has ONE Death Star. The Imperium of man has many.

Oh yeah, and the Galaxtic Empire actually is xenophobic. Not to the degree that the Imperium is (I mean they had guys like Admiral Thrawn) but there is a strong underlying idea that humans are the superior form of life. I mean, did you never think it was strange that, apart from a minuscule handful of exceptions, the Empire's military and bureaucracy are all humans? I really can't see Sidious allying with the Tau, Eldar or Necrons. And Chaos? Probably not since I don't see the Dark Lord of the sith swearing fealty to the Dark Gods, who ch would be required for such an agreement almost certainly.

Plus even if he wanted to ally say the Eldar, the Eldar would undoubtedly tell him to go stuff himself, because he is a human and therefore beneath them (not to mention he's an ass). The Orks and Tyranids don't really do allies. Now he might (big might) get some Dark Eldar and Necrons to work with him. But there's a reason the Imperium doesn't think of said xeno species as a threat: at the moment they are not one. Granted the Necrons could become one, but they still need a good thousand years to get to that point.

And when has a sith freezes time? Not criticising you I just want to know, since I've never heard about it.

Final point is about Jedi deflecting Astartes weapons. Simple answer is no. Jedi actually fear rapid firing kinetic weapons, since their high rate of fire makes it really difficult to take them all out. Plus bullets don't get deflected, they melt, which can if the calibre was high enough shower said Jedi with molten metal. There are literally kinetic weapons made for the purpose of fighting Jedi. Not what do Space Marine's use. Ah yes, rapid firing kinetic weapons, with a truely MASSIVE caliber. Jedi can deflect blaster bolts because by projectile standards they are pretty dam slow. I mean, you can SEE them! With a bullet all you see is the muzzle flash. Blaster bolts aren't even faster than sound, as there is no sonic boom when they're fired. Also, in Episode III we see multiple Jedi MASTERS taken down by sustained blaster fire from clone troopers. Granted they wee taken by surprise but the fact remains that the clones were able to hunt down and massacre the Jedi without weapons ideally suited to their demise, which the space marines have. A single Jedi can beat a single space marine, but the Astartes act in units of five to ten, Jedi in pairs or trios at most. A sustained bolter spread would take out all bar the most talented Jedi, and for them we have more elite space marines, such as the crack shot sternguard.

I'm not saying Star Wars has no hope, just not in the ways you've described. Their best bet is that the Imperium simply doesn't have the resources to conquer another galaxy, when they are stretched thin in their own. Any offensive actions by either the Republic or Empire would be brutally blunted by superior numbers, especially in void combat. Any aggressive action on the Imperium's part would be limited due to the prospective size of such a campaign, but they'd likely glass a few dozen planets before going home again. In the end the Star Wars universe would endure, and might develop new tech with which to fight the Imperium, but with the resources we know they have at their disposal, they will never defeat the Imperium.