Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-4851119-20140118095944/@comment-217.234.123.34-20150122213421

the inquisition does not cxome into place until after the battle of terra and is only active from the scouring years onwards.

if we go to the rumoured mass mind wipe of thousands of marines ( which would have to predate the heresy by

show me the institutions that wipe the minds of marines in 30k ;)

We, as far as  I know Lore, find only one source, where an alha legionary, who already looks a lot like their primarchs, is sent on a suicide mission, knowing that it is a suicide mission and drinking some of omegon's blood to get the memories  --> suicide mission succeeds, white scars get news of heresy > rush to terra  ( "the serpent beneath" in "the primarchs" anthology)

servitors have half their brains cut out, replaced some of it with mechanics and chem shunts, you want to compare that to a mind wipe? (which, sidenote, will not suppress skills or behavior of the former lifes of people, as mentioned in "imperial glory"

we do have, however: the introducxtion of a lunar wolves neophyte into the white scars legion ("Scars" prologue)  though that dude did not go through hypnotherapy or has any implants yet, so he is somewhere between 7 and 12/14 years old when he is reassigned to another legion, not that much time to pick up a ton of the "subtler, legion oriented tactics and behavior, an estimated 10 years (which actually turn out to be 14) before entering a battle company.

( just to give you the difference of this former lunar wolf inductee from terra, to a chogoris based inductee:

"no backward step" from the terran

chogoris inductee: something along the lines of "attack, retreat, attack again" ( words are not the raven guard motto but i am too lazy atm to get the fitting quote, i will if neccessary)

as each legion has a different way of approaching their business, you would have a lot of differences in how the slug it out, actually. or do you wanna compare a world eater charge to the massed advance of a death guard or the slow iron warriors progress of artillery barrage and fortification or the biker formations of the white scars?

if you took a look at how the legions did business previous to joining their primarch, you will them already have their predisposition to what their primarchs does with them.

the war hounds have their reputation for bloodshed, same as f.e. the iron warriorts, the imperial heralds (word bearers) are already zealots who tear down edifices of their opponents, the raven guard are already silent in their approaches before meeting corax. if we, then, take into account the higher induction rates of non terran astartes, and more of the "home culture" of their primarch, we realize a very strong change in how the legions work and how they are inducted. take into account the dying out of terrans and the change of customs ( see f.e. raven guard, who lost their terran terminator elite, which was favoring horuis) or see the death guard and the housecarl tradition.

sidenote 2. the genetic material did not mix, as gene seed is primarch based and does not get altered by the inferior genetics of the human it is implanted into, which is actually a unifying factor, as terran and adopted homeworld marines share the same genetic heritage. and as none of them have any means of reproduction, what is the argument in that?

you know that the legions pretty much get the same gear? you are aware of the stc concept, aka: standardised parts put together so that you do not need that big of a grasp of technology to maintain the standardised suits that you, like the million other marines were given? interchangeability rulez.

what is to be said is, that legions will give specific marks like teeth, irises, skin ton and whatnot to their marines.....

do you, f.e., not find it odd, that 90+% of all space marines are  white?

the deathwatch does not implant gene-seed, it does however, collect it and send it back to the parent chapters. and that apothecaries harvest gene-seed is an old hat, that has been going on for forever in w40k, and is one of the few sources of untainted gene-seed for traitor marines.

2nd problem: deathwatch is post codex astartes... just to quote guilliman again from "unremembered empire"

"It makes one long for a formal, martial codification that would burnish away the rough edges, clean out the differences, and provide for a perfect, easy fit.’"

again i have to say: to not compare w40k to w30k

and again i repeat myself: a discussion is only a good thing if you work one the basis of the same knowledge, which we obviously do not.

i will have to take a look at angel exterminatus, luckily i goit access to the novel, will take some time though ;)