Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-27642965-20160211003725/@comment-24510587-20160920200241

Let's have single random macrocannon shells splitting planets eh?

"Mark VI Mars Pattern Macrocannon - The most common macrobattery, these Macrocannons are reliable, hard-hitting weapons that fire  kilotonne-grade ordnance, mounted along an Imperial warship's dorsal ridge or in a broadside." - literally on the wiki page.

The Emperor's psychic blast against Horus is described as "more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun" and since no Primarch ever shows anything like the level of durability needed to survive even a tiny fraction of such energies we can assume the Vengeful Spirit absorbed most of the force. Since the ship was intact 40K warships can take focused supernova-level energies from the inside. I've never seen a single source describing battles between ships as anything other than extended slugging matches except when one side hilariously outmatches the other, so it seems their shields and armour can take sustained bombardment from such weapons. Sorry, but your teratons just won't cut it.

Nice how you let out the part where it said that it was directed at Horus' heart. No one said the blast went any further past that, so that's just speculation. Let's also not forget that such phrases employ artistic freedom.

Citation needed, because really, I'd like to see your evidence that the Imperial Stormtroopers who canonically, on screen, miss every shot at a stationary target less than ten metres away can compare to anybody but the lowliest and mookiest of PDF troopers.

That's called plot armour - they are actually far more accurate than they are portrayed in the films. As said by Ben Kenobi in in A New Hope: "And these blast points, too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

The standard-issue E-11 is also more effective than a Lasgun: a Lasgun shot, while capable of snapping your bones and potentially rupturing organs, can hardly penetrate armour, while the E-11 has shown to be able to blast chunks of metal to bits.

Citation that they can actually do this -before- the Emperor guts them? I have speed quotes on hand, and they are scary.

Read up a bit more on the Emperor's speed. Yeah, I rescind my statement.

Citation that every random mook Force user was comparable to a Space Marine despite the movies showing us experienced Jedi who weren't even close to that level?

Jedi and Sith aren't "random Force user mooks", they're highly trained and disciplined warriors. Also, I don't see a Space Marine being able to resist having its insides crushed by the Force.