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Legionaire22 wrote: LegionoftheDerped wrote: I sort of felt like that on absolutely even terms that Konrad would best Corax in a fight too. I always viewed him as being in the top five of the Primarchs that you didn't ever want to go toe to toe with. (In no particular order: Angron, Horus, Russ, Konrad, Sanguinius) Oh please, Konrad doesn't even top Guilliman (Which really isn't an insult, Guilliman was a good fighter, he went toe-to-toe with both Angron and Lorgar)

And Sanguinius was almost certainly THE strongest Primarch of them all, he fought a Daemon Empowered Horus to a standstill for three hours after he had fought for a week against legions of lesser and greater Daemons alone AND broke the back of Ka'Bandha, who was basically the Doombreed of the HH.

My list goes: Sanguinius, Angron, Horus, Russ, Jaghatai Khan/Lion El'Jonson

I'm actually surprised and really glad to hear The Khan's name get brought up in this debate- It seems that he often gets overlooked for whatever reason. Well done for mentioning him here, he probably belongs in this discussion.

I wouldn't say much for The Lion, although he did technically fight Russ to a standstill in the tale of "The Lion and The Wolf" that the SW are so fond of telling. The fact that Luther, who wasn't even entirely Astartes(although he was indeed somewhat modified and supposedly Chaotically assisted) was able to match him and in fact, best him during the destruction of Caliban says that The Lion certainly was not at the top of his class. It should take a Primarch to kill a Primarch, I would argue.

I still believe Konrad belongs up there- we just don't have a huge sample size yet of what he was fully capable of in a straight up fight. Yet reading the HH novels, it seems his brothers had a healthy respect/fear/dislike of him. You gotta believe there's good reason for that.

Finally, you're right about Sanguinius being at the very top of the Primarch badass list. Even Horus himself looked up to Sanguinius. You just didn't mess with The Angel.