Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-4851119-20140118095944/@comment-3258762-20140124164727

Vaughn891 wrote: I am not sure if savagery beats tactics and I think that is one of the main differences between Thunder Warriors and Astartes (can't believe I am agreeing with Neithan02 first time for everything I guess). The best example of savagery in the 40K universe is Angron who is basically a maddened barbarian. Both him and Khornate beserkers don't really use tactics but will do anything to close with the enemy and bask in the slaughter. An army that uses tactics can overcome an army that has nothing but brute savagery as its ally. If savagery were the ultimate determinator in battle then every time the chapters confront a force of beserkers they would be annihilated. This obviously has happened in some cases and during the 1st war for Armaggedon Angron slaughtered almost everyone including the Grey Knights. However, ultimately it was his lack of tactics that were his undoing. Savagery does have its uses look at the Black Company employed by the Blood Angels they are pretty much a game changer on any battlefield when employed also the Wulfen. People seem to think that savagery means uncontrolable and idiotic. It doesn't.

A savage warrior can be just as disciplined as any, the difference between them is that he/she will be a lot more brutal when they let go. Thunder Warriors were more brutal than Astartes, that is not to say less disciplined.