Board Thread:Warhammer 40k General Discussion/@comment-65.29.225.205-20130427160705/@comment-8881468-20130512011358

1. Let's not mention that you normally have to be younger than 20 to receive the implants), so yeah, he was your full-grown farmer... (also: singular evidence vs statistics). Let's also not mention that those bootcamps might be the only egalitarian tool in ultramar, depending on the age the children are sent forth (oh wait, there is a time lapse between being sent off to the barracks and the trials and also the overrepresentation of certain characters among the chosen thanks to advantages in education based on backround) yeah right. you wanna go with the odd one out argument versus miullions of people.

to your argument 2: the problem is the aqcuiring of those skills, based on your birth, you might not even have chances at getting the training/making the experiences that lead to those skills. (and given the fact that you have extensive brainwashing for neophytes (psycho-indoctrination ftw), what case do you want to make? that ventris acquired the skills he needed in his position based on his position?

3. nobility or anyhting else of higher social status is not based on skills or ability at birth but simply because of social standing of your lineage.

4. which means that they are part of a heriditary elite, not one based on personal merit, your argument is what?

5. bringing a chance with a near to nothing likelihood and the odd example among millions and over a period of thousands of years. I can understand to you are compalled by a myth that correlates with somehting that you've been fed your whole life, I simply don't see that much relevance in it.

6. You don't need to treat the workers poorly in order to prevent upward social mobility, all you need to do is keep them busy, which is more than likely, given the labor-intensive procedures of the Imperium.

7. I am not making an argument about systemwide starvation but merely about ultramar also only being a system with little upward mobility. You simply put them into positions where they are too tired to acquire skills to move onward.